Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages

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Sujet : Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages
De : sebastian (at) *nospam* here.com.invalid (Sebastian)
Groupes : comp.unix.shell comp.unix.programmer comp.lang.misc
Date : 11. Nov 2024, 08:31:13
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In comp.unix.programmer Muttley@dastartdlyhq.org wrote:
On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:25:05 +0100
Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> boring babbled:
Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> writes:
On 2024-04-07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 00:01:43 +0000, Javier wrote:
>
The downside is the loss of performance because of disk access for
trivial things like 'nfiles=$(ls | wc -l)'.
>
Well, you could save one process creation by writing
???nfiles=$(echo * | wc -l)??? instead. But that would still not be
strictly
correct.
>
I suspect disk access times where
one of the reasons for the development of perl in the early 90s.
>
Shells were somewhat less powerful in those days. I would describe the
genesis of Perl as ???awk on steroids???. Its big party trick was regular
expressions. And I guess combining that with more sophisticated data-
structuring capabilities.
>
Perl is more awk+sed+sh in a single language. Basically the killer
of the Unix philophy in late 90's/early 00's, and for the good.
>
Perl is a high-level programming language with a rich syntax??, with
support for deterministic automatic memory management, functions as
first-class objects and message-based OO. It's also a virtual machine
for executing threaded code and a(n optimizing) compiler for translating
Perl code into the corresponding threaded code.
 
Its syntax is also a horrific mess. Larry took the worst parts of C and shell
syntax and mashed them together. Its no surprise Perl has been ditched in
favour of Python just about everywhere for new scripting projects. And while
I hate Pythons meangingful whitespace nonsense, I'd use it in preference
to Perl any day.

I think you've identified the one language that Python is better than.

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