Re: Relativistic synchronisation method

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Sujet : Re: Relativistic synchronisation method
De : relativity (at) *nospam* paulba.no (Paul.B.Andersen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 30. Dec 2024, 21:43:32
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Den 29.12.2024 18:59, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 29/12/2024 à 13:37, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
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Yes, your clear answer to my question was easy to understand.
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My question was:
"Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
  the wall of a railway station or an airport?"
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Your answer was 'yes'.
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So you expect the clock on the railway station to be synchronous with
your clock.
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 No.
 I do not expect the station clock to be synchronous with mine. I have told you dozens of times that two spatially separated clocks will never be able to agree on the notion of simultaneity (I have been saying this for forty years).
You set your clock to show UTC+1h when you were at home.
The clock on the station shows UTC+1h.
When you arrive at the station you expect the station clock
to show the same as your clock.
But you do _not_ expect the clocks to be synchronous.
In physics "synchronous" means that two clocks simultaneously
show the same.
When two clocks are side by side and show the same,
they are synchronous by definition.

 I do not understand your determination to constantly destroy what I say, while for my part I never stop explaining to you not only the correct things, but also the things as neither Poincaré nor Einstein said them.
 But you do not believe me. So we go around in circles and poison the words.
 I explained to you that the current synchronization is a virtual, abstract synchronization, very useful for giving a form of coherence to things.
 I said that it was a type M synchronization.
 But that it was not the reality of things, even if it was very useful.
 You have the same thing with the Mercator projection in geography, it is incredibly logical, beautiful, and useful.
 But completely wrong locally: Greenland is larger than Africa, which is absurd for those who have been around it.
 R.H.
I see. When two clocks side by side show the same, they are
"M synchronous" which is very useful, but they are not
really showing the same, exactly as a paper map is not real world.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/

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