Re: Analytical truth redefined so that Quine can understand that bachelors are unmarried

On 03/21/2024 06:29 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:

Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> writes:

On 03/21/2024 04:20 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:

Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> writes:
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(Some have that "life must be carbon-based because
only carbon-rings make sequences with enough
information", but, "live rust", steam vents, and so on.)

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What is "live rust"?  The only references I can find are to the 1979
album by Neil Young and Crazy Horse.

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It's when you have a new shovel,
and you're digging some fence posts,
and there's a lot of iron in the soil,
rusty live old iron and live rust.
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Anyways the next day the shovel's covered with rust.

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Yes, iron oxidizes.
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[snip]
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They don't have anything for live rust,
but if you scrape yourself up on old barb wire fence,
it's maybe not a bad idea to get a tetanus shot.

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Quoting Wikipedia, "Although rust itself does not cause tetanus, objects
that accumulate rust are often found outdoors or in places that harbor
anaerobic bacteria."
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Otherwise I've looked into "live rust" before
and there's not much about it.  For example,
on Google, this thread isn't there.

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Because Google Groups recently stopped archiving Usenet posts.
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Yet, it's definitely a thing.

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If it were a thing, it would not be relevant to any of the newsgroups
we're posting on.  You seemed to be implying that it's some previously
unacknowledged category of life, which would be fascinating *if* it were
true.
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About "Live Rust", one imagines it's a play on
words as, "live music", while, where did they get it?
That album and its music has had great revival several
times, and has greatly influenced generations of listeners.

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It was a live performance recorded during the "Rust Never Sleeps" tour.
Nothing to do with whatever you're talking about.
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Yes:  sci.logic, comp.theory, and sci.lang,
have not so much here to do with live rust.
They do however have lots to do with models
of computation, the foundations of logic,
and the purposes and contents of language.
It is sort of an implication that biological processes
are involved in this catalyst of rust, it's the
nutrients, live rust, vis-a-vis, live steam.
These days one might aver "Usenet is just a shambles,
in fact a lot of its traffic is bots".
Yet, to arrive at notions of foundations, and
especially, "non-standard", yet real, foundations,
and the considerations of for example this thread,
that analyzes "classical quasi-modal logic" with
regards to relevance logic and the structure of
language and natural language fulfilling any role
of symbolic and logical language, it's a thing.
So, one might juxtapose Neil Young, and Lynyrd Skynyrd,
in the era of the late 60's and the remarkable times
of the Equal Rights Amendment and Civil Rights Act,
in the backdrop of the Cold War and Vietnam War,
in as to where, due the archival and preservation,
of these works, it was possible for later generations,
and even today, to rediscover their concepts and
revisit the dialog, what results that the ERA and CRA
had always been, and those wars were over.
These days it's again for civil liberties, privacy mostly,
then with regards to the Malthusian dilemma, that it's
not only the ontology we've arrived at, yet also
the ontology of how the ontology is arrived at.
(Some are particularly sensitive to ending phrases
with prepositions, so "arrived at" is that at
which is arrived, at.)
Consider for example the Frankfurt School.
Perhaps the most unexpected development is, after
models of computation and the transistorized computer
circuit, four decades of Moore's law then to these
days even more novel models of computation like
the free-form 3-D I-C, besides models of ultra-low-power
reversible computing and such, into ubiquity, and
the implementation of resources for pretty much any
manner of, "mechanical reasoning", vis-a-vis the
silver thread back through all teleology which
advises that the same theory, is still a monism.
Remarkably, standardization is very thorough.
Not relevant here:  indeed, speaks to exactly why
relevance logic, is relevant here, and "material",
"implication":  is neither.  That is just a particular,
yet, somehow, the meta-theory is the theory, and,
it's natural language.
When I'm curious about NLP I study archives,
for example the great ACL anthology, https://aclanthology.org/ .
I figure what can read that can read
pretty good, or rather, rather well.
Warm regards, no offense intended
Indeed, Google has surfaced Usenet several times
in its epochs of organization with regards to
the latest spam-walling of the Internet, then
regardless its literal or semantic content,
it's swept under the entburgung rug,
the hide & show huff & stuff,
where it accumulates.  Belles lettres.
That's not to say it doesn't _read_ Usenet.
Warm regards, and as they say, "keep on
rocking in the free world", and,
"keep on trucking", was the idea.