Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable

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Sujet : Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theory
Date : 05. May 2025, 12:04:15
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On 5/4/25 10:23 PM, olcott wrote:
When we define formal systems as a finite list of basic facts and allow semantic logical entailment as the only rule of inference we have systems that can express any truth that can be expressed in language.
 Also with such systems Undecidability is impossible. The only incompleteness are things that are unknown or unknowable.
Can such a system include the mathematics of the natural numbers?
If so, your claim is false, as that is enough to create that undeciability.

 The language of such a formal system is an extended form of the Montague Grammar of natural language semantics. I came up with this mostly in the last two years. I have been working on it for 22 years.
 The Montague Grammar Rudolf Carnap Meaning postulates are organized in a knowledge ontology inheritance hierarchy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Ontology_(information_science)
And the problem is that either your claim is wrong, or your logic system is just shown to be too small to be useful for many of the things we want to be able to do because it can't support the mathematics of Natural Numbers.
You don't seem to understand that all the properties you don't like about Logic Systems are all conditioned on the ability for the system to have a certain level of power in their ability to do logic. "Tpy" systems that have been limited below that level will not experiance the problems, but also are too weak to do the problems we typically want to do with logic.
This ultimate shows your fundamental misunderstanding of what you are talking about, especially your inability to handle abstractions, and things that can create "infinities".

Date Sujet#  Auteur
5 May 25 * Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable21olcott
5 May 25 +* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable3Mikko
5 May 25 i`* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable2olcott
6 May 25 i `- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Mikko
5 May 25 +* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable4Alan Mackenzie
5 May 25 i`* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable3olcott
6 May 25 i `* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable2Alan Mackenzie
6 May 25 i  `- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Mikko
5 May 25 `* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable13Richard Damon
5 May 25  +* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable9olcott
6 May 25  i+* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable3Richard Damon
6 May 25  ii`* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable2olcott
6 May 25  ii `- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Richard Damon
6 May 25  i`* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable5olcott
6 May 25  i +- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Alan Mackenzie
6 May 25  i `* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable3Richard Damon
6 May 25  i  `* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED2olcott
7 May 25  i   `- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED1Richard Damon
5 May 25  +* Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable2Richard Heathfield
5 May 25  i`- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Richard Heathfield
6 May 25  `- Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable1Richard Damon

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