Re: Proof that H(D,D) meets its abort criteria --self-evident truth--

On 3/16/24 7:35 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/16/2024 9:26 PM, immibis wrote:

On 17/03/24 01:50, olcott wrote:

On 3/16/2024 7:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 3/16/24 8:29 AM, olcott wrote:

On 3/15/2024 11:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 3/15/24 8:45 PM, olcott wrote:

H(D,D) fails to make the required mistake of reporting on what it does not see.

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But it DOES make a mistake, because it does answer the question correctly.
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You are just PROVING you think lying is ok.
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You TOTALLY don't understand the meaning of truth.
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You are REALLY just a Pathological Liar, as you have no concept of real truth,
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The original halt status criteria has the impossible requirement
that H(D,D) must report on behavior that it does not actually see.
Requiring H to be clairvoyant is an unreasonable requirement.
*The criteria shown below eliminate the requirement of clairvoyance*
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(a) If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until
H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
unless aborted then
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*H correctly simulates its input D until*
Means H does a correct partial simulation of D until H correctly
matches the recursive simulation non-halting behavior pattern.
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But turning out to be impposible, doesn't make it incorrect or invalid.

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*You seems to be ridiculously disingenuous about the self-evident truth*
For every possible way that H can be encoded and D(D) calls H(D,D) either H(D,D) aborts its simulation or D(D) never stops running.
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For every possible way that H can be encoded, H(D,D) aborts its simulation.

 That does not correspond to the specification of H shown immediately
above that only has H(D,D) simulate its input and does not even require
H to ever stop running.

So, are you admitting that you "Halt Deciders" are not Halt Deciders.
If you want to not be restricted to the rules of Halt Deciders, you need to clearly define your work to NOT be about Halting.
So, stop using that word.

 

If you change it so it doesn't abort its simulation, then it's a different H, not just a different encoding.