Re: Can any pathological input thwart a simulating abort decider?

Op 23.mrt.2024 om 17:08 schreef olcott:

On 3/23/2024 9:43 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 23.mrt.2024 om 14:58 schreef olcott:

On 3/23/2024 4:38 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 22.mrt.2024 om 19:41 schreef olcott:

01 int D(ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
02 {
03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
04   if (Halt_Status)
05     HERE: goto HERE;
06   return Halt_Status;
07 }
08
09 void main()
10 {
11   H(D,D);
12 }
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H is a simulating abort decider that supposed to
correctly determine whether or not it needs to abort
the simulation of any pathological inputs that are
attempting to thwart this abort decision.
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H must abort every simulated input that would not
otherwise halt to prevent its own non-termination.
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It is a self-evident verified fact that every H(D,D)
that decides to abort its simulated D(D) is correct
in doing so because this does prevent its own
non-termination.
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It is self-evident that when H is programmed to abort and return false, then [the simulated] D will

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immediately stop running never having reached its last instruction to halt.

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As can be seen above, if H returns false in line 03, then D will go to line 04 and line 06 and halt (unless aborted).
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 You still do not understand that functions called in infinite
recursion never return to their caller, thus must have grossly
exaggerated your programming skill.

Even a beginner in C will see that if the simulated D, using the H that is programmed to abort and return false, will continue with line 04 then line 06 and halt (unless aborted).

When the simulated D calls its simulator this call cannot possibly
return to its caller. The relationship between the simulated D(D)
and its simulator makes a call D(D) to its own simulator isomorphic
to infinite recursion.

It is exactly the relation with the simulator that aborts, which makes that also the simulated H is programmed to abort and return false.
Olcott is again contradicting himself.

 That the directly executed D(D) is an entirely different instance
that does not have this same pathological relationship is summed
up in your own reply.

I am not talking about a directly executed D, but a simulated D!
I am not talking about a directly executed D, but a simulated D!
I am not talking about a directly executed D, but a simulated D!
This simulated D halts (unless aborted)!
It seems too difficult for olcott to see, what even a beginner sees, that H, programmed to return false, also returns false when simulated (unless aborted).