Sujet : Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : sci.logicDate : 30. Apr 2024, 18:06:08
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On 4/30/2024 7:01 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-29 15:22:11 +0000, olcott said:
On 4/29/2024 10:04 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-29 14:32:13 +0000, olcott said:
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On 4/29/2024 4:24 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-28 13:24:52 +0000, olcott said:
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Translated into a syllogism:
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All A are True
No A are True
Therefore B
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Which inference rule of syllogistic logic permits that inference?
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(1) That is a correct translation from this POE argument:
Proposition A is True.
Proposition A is False.
Therefore B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion
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(2) That as a syllogism it is the non-sequitur error proves
that the POE was the non-sequitur error all along.
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What you call a "syllogism" isn't one as it has none of the forms
of valid syllogism as listed by Aristotle.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition
That page does not tell what a syllogism is. Instead, the page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
does.
This is the part of the page on syllogism that links to that link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Basic_structureproves that the premises are the categorical propositions
required by syllogisms, and these are isomorphic to the POE
premises. The fact that the conclusion is simply copied
proves that it was "translated" correctly.
The result of the translation is not a syllogism and the conclusion
It <is> a syllogism with the non-sequitur error
as I have been saying all along
This seems to be related to what you are saying:
Proposition A is True.
Proposition A is False.
Therefore B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosionTranslated into a syllogism:
All A are True
No A are True
Therefore B
*It is categorically impossible to show*
(a) How the above two categorical propositions entail B.
(b) That the above syllogism is not isomorphic to POE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_propositiondoes not follow by the rules of syllogistc logic. Threfore you have
not proven that the principle of explosion is true about syllogistic
I am proving the the POE is merely the non-sequitur error.
logic. (Is is true about modern ordinary logic, which have different
rules of inference.)
When the POE argument is corrected translated into a
syllogism and this syllogism has the non-sequitur error
that then proves the POE argument also has this same error.
The translation is not correct as the result is not a valid
syllogism.
The translation is correct and results in a syllogism with
the non-sequitur error as I have been saying all along.
Assuming that (A and ~A) are true was the mistake of the POE proof.
We could equally assume that 2 > 5, thus 2 + 1 > 5.
A proof that starts with a false assumption is never sound. The
Yes and the false assumption of POE is that: (A and ~A) are true
When we reject that then the POE cannot exist.
conclusion of the proof may be false if at least one of the premises
is false. This is the idea behind indirect proofs: if one can prove
False or any contradiction then one has proven that one of the permises
is false.
-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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