Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox

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Sujet : Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theory
Date : 25. May 2024, 17:27:22
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x ∉ True if and only if p
where the symbol 'p' represents the whole sentence x
https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf
First we convert the clumsy indirect approximation of
self-reference by getting rid of the extraneous x we
also swap the LHS with the RHS.
p if and only if p ∉ True
ψ ↔ ϕ⟨ψ⟩ … The sentence ψ is of course not self-referential
in a strict sense, but mathematically it behaves like one.”
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/self-reference/
Thus Stanford acknowledges that it is formalizing self-reference
incorrectly in its article about self-reference. This seems to
be the standard convention for all papers that formalize the Liar
Paradox.
Here is actual self-reference
x := y means x is defined to be another name for y
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_logic_symbols
Next we turn this into actual self-reference
p := p ∉ True
Next we limit the scope to one formal system with a predicate
p := ~True(L, p)
Next we change the name to the more recognizable name
LP := ~True(L, LP)
<Tarski Undefinability>
    We shall show that the sentence x is actually undecidable
    and at the same time true ...(page 275)
    the proof of
    the sentence x given in the meta-theory can automatically be
    carried over into the theory itself: the sentence x which is
    undecidable in the original theory becomes a decidable sentence
    in the enriched theory. (page 276)
    https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf
</Tarski Undefinability>
*When we stick with theory L we get the same results*
*thus no need for any meta-theory*
True(L, LP) is false
True(L, ~LP) is false
Truthbearer(L,x) ≡ (True(L,x) ∨ True(L,~x))
So what Tarski says is undecidable in his theory is actually
not a truth-bearer in his theory.
What Tarski said is provable in his meta-theory making it true
in his theory is ~True(L, LP) is true in his theory because
LP is not a truth-bearer in L.
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
25 May 24 * Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox12olcott
25 May 24 +* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox9Richard Damon
25 May 24 i`* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox8olcott
25 May 24 i `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox7Richard Damon
25 May 24 i  `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox6olcott
25 May 24 i   `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox5Richard Damon
25 May 24 i    `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox4olcott
25 May 24 i     `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox3Richard Damon
25 May 24 i      `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox2olcott
25 May 24 i       `- Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox1Richard Damon
26 May 24 `* Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox2Mikko
26 May 24  `- Re: Tarski Undefinability and the correctly formalized Liar Paradox1olcott

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