Sujet : Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 27. May 2024, 04:53:58
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On 5/26/2024 9:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/26/24 10:06 PM, olcott wrote:
When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
>
Ĥ copies its own Turing machine description: ⟨Ĥ⟩
then invokes embedded_H that simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ with ⟨Ĥ⟩ as input.
>
It is an easily verified fact that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by
embedded_H cannot possibly reach its own simulated final state of
⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in any finite sequence of steps such as Googolplex ^ Googolplex
number of steps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex
So, it can verify that if H / embedded_H was programmed not to halt it simulation, then the H^ built on that H will be non-halting, but that doesn't say anything about the DIFFERENT H^ built on an H that does abort its simulation and returns 0.
You really do have an actual problem paying attention.
It is not a mere trollish ruse. I poured engine oil
into my power steering fluid Friday night so I can relate.
As far as paying attention to words that have been written
I read and reread many times until I am sure that I get it.
Even then I get it wrong once in a while.
When embedded_H correctly simulates a Googolplex ^ Googolplex steps
of ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ then embedded_H halts.
⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H cannot possibly reach its
own simulated final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in any finite number of steps.
-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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23 May 24 | Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 146 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 23 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 10 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 9 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 8 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 7 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 12 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 122 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 121 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 120 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 119 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 118 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 117 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 115 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 114 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 113 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 112 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 111 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 108 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 107 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 106 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 105 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 103 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 102 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 101 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 100 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 99 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 98 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 97 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 90 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 89 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 88 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 87 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 86 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 85 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 84 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 83 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 82 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 81 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 78 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 77 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 70 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 69 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 68 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 67 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 66 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 65 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 64 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 63 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 62 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 61 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 56 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 55 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 54 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 53 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 52 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 51 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 4 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 46 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 42 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Alan Mackenzie |
26 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |