Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩

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Sujet : Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 28. May 2024, 17:37:18
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On 5/28/2024 6:34 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 11:24 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/27/2024 7:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
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He STARTS with a proof that one specific (but arbitrary) machine gets the wrong answer.
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*Not exactly, you are misreading this*
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The domain of this problem is to be taken as the set of all Turing
machines and all w; that is, we are looking for a single Turing machine
that, given the description of an arbitrary M and w, will predict
whether or not the computation of M applied to w will halt
   *** a single Turing Machine ***
 not singular
 
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...
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Proof: We assume the contrary, namely that there exists an algorithm,
and consequently some Turing machine H, that solves the halting problem
https://www.liarparadox.org/Peter_Linz_HP_317-320.pdf
   *** some Turing Machine ***
 Note singular
 
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Ordinary existential quantification looks for at least one
element not exactly one element:
 But you can look for at least one by looking for one without an assumption that it is unique.
 
The Peter Linz words refer to ordinary existential quantification
anchored in the infinite set of Turing machines.
∃H  ∈ Turing_Machines
∀x  ∈ Turing_Machines_Descriptions
∀y  ∈ Finite_Strings
such that H(x,y) = Halts(x,x)

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Does at least one Turing machine exist of the infinite set
of all Turing machines ...
 Right, so if we can prove that none of them are correct, you have shown that some is contradicted.
 
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So like I have always said, the second ⊢* specifies
an infinite set of Turing machines.
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 As a SPECIFICATION of the domain of selection, yes.
 As a SPECIFICATION of what THIS ONE machine does, no.
 
My formalization already handles this.
*Here is the same thing applied to H/D pairs*
∃H  ∈ C_Functions
∀D  ∈ x86_Machine_Code_of_C_Functions
such that H(D,D) = Halts(D,D)
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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23 May 24 * Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?146olcott
24 May 24 +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?23Richard Damon
24 May 24 i+* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?10olcott
24 May 24 ii`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?9Richard Damon
24 May 24 ii `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?8olcott
24 May 24 ii  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?7Richard Damon
24 May 24 ii   `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?6olcott
24 May 24 ii    `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?5Richard Damon
24 May 24 ii     `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?4olcott
24 May 24 ii      `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3Richard Damon
24 May 24 ii       `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
25 May 24 ii        `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Richard Damon
24 May 24 i`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?12Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24 i +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?5Richard Damon
24 May 24 i i`* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?4olcott
24 May 24 i i `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3Richard Damon
24 May 24 i i  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
25 May 24 i i   `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Richard Damon
24 May 24 i `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?6olcott
24 May 24 i  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?5Richard Damon
24 May 24 i   `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?4olcott
24 May 24 i    `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?3Richard Damon
24 May 24 i     `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?2olcott
25 May 24 i      `- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Richard Damon
24 May 24 `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?122Fred. Zwarts
24 May 24  `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?121olcott
24 May 24   `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?120Richard Damon
24 May 24    `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?119olcott
24 May 24     `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?118Richard Damon
24 May 24      `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?117olcott
25 May 24       +- Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?1Richard Damon
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25 May 24        `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?114Richard Damon
25 May 24         `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?113olcott
25 May 24          `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?112Richard Damon
25 May 24           `* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?111olcott
25 May 24            +* Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?108Richard Damon
25 May 24            i`* D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06107olcott
25 May 24            i `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06106Richard Damon
25 May 24            i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06105olcott
25 May 24            i   +* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06103Richard Damon
25 May 24            i   i`* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06102olcott
25 May 24            i   i `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06101Richard Damon
25 May 24            i   i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06100olcott
25 May 24            i   i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0699Richard Damon
25 May 24            i   i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0698olcott
25 May 24            i   i     `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0697Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i      +* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 066olcott
26 May 24            i   i      i`* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 065Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i      i `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 064olcott
26 May 24            i   i      i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 063Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i      i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 062olcott
26 May 24            i   i      i    `- Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 061Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i      `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0690olcott
26 May 24            i   i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0689Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0688olcott
26 May 24            i   i         `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0687Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i          `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0686olcott
26 May 24            i   i           `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0685Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i            `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0684olcott
26 May 24            i   i             `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0683Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i              `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0682olcott
26 May 24            i   i               `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0681Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i                +* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 062olcott
26 May 24            i   i                i`- Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 061Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i                `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0678olcott
26 May 24            i   i                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 0677Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i                  +* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 066olcott
26 May 24            i   i                  i`* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 065Richard Damon
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26 May 24            i   i                       `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest?65Richard Damon
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26 May 24            i   i                            +* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof4olcott
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26 May 24            i   i                            i `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof2olcott
26 May 24            i   i                            i  `- Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof1Richard Damon
26 May 24            i   i                            `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz56olcott
26 May 24            i   i                             `* Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz55Richard Damon
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27 May 24            i   i                                `* Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩52olcott
27 May 24            i   i                                 `* Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩51Richard Damon
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27 May 24            i   i                                   +* Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩3Richard Damon
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