Re: DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possible halt --- Try to prove otherwise --- x86 DD

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Sujet : Re: DD correctly simulated by HH cannot possible halt --- Try to prove otherwise --- x86 DD
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 03. Jun 2024, 00:44:16
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On 6/2/2024 5:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/2/24 6:05 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/2/2024 4:43 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/2/24 5:25 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/2/2024 3:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/2/24 4:50 PM, olcott wrote:
*We can see that the following DD cannot possibly halt*
>
Unless the HH(DD,DD) aborts its simulation and returns 0, then DD(DD) will ALWAYS halt when directly called, which is the definition of "Halting".
>
Not your LIE that it pertains to partial simulations.
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*when correctly simulated by every HH that can possibly exist*
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Except for EVERY HH that aborts its simulation and returns 0
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>
This may be an ADD thing.
For every HH that aborts its simulation and returns 0
DD correctly simulated by this HH *DID NOT HALT AND NEVER WILL HALT*
>
Except you mental problems are getting in YOUR way.
>
You said that "DD Can not halt" NOT "the simulation by H of DD can not Halt"
>
>
*I said neither of those things so it may be an ADD problem*
 I guess your medication is making you blind.
 Read the top line quoted from you on 6/2/24 4:50 PM
 You said:
    "*We can see that the following DD cannot possibly halt*"
 
*Deceitfully taking things out of context*
On 6/2/2024 3:50 PM, olcott wrote:
 > *We can see that the following DD cannot possibly halt*
 > *when correctly simulated by every HH that can possibly exist*

Remember, Halting is defined as the MACHINE reaching a fianl state, so trying to qualify it with a partial simulation is an irrelevent qualification.
 
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Those are DIFFERENT statements.
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DD WILL Halt.
>
Your claim, that I will neither confirm or deny (until you can show why I should), is that the simulation by H can never reach the statement after the call instruction.
>
>
*Still not quite what I said*
 But you did in your message from 3:54 today earier in the thread:
    DD correctly emulated by HH with an x86 emulator cannot possibly
   reach past its own machine instruction [00001c2e]
 
If you get my words 99.99999% perfectly then you screwed up
far too much, thus 80% is not in the ballpark.
*We can see that the following DD cannot possibly halt*
*when correctly simulated by every HH that can possibly exist*
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int HH(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int DD(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = HH(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
_DD()
[00001c22] 55         push ebp
[00001c23] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
[00001c25] 51         push ecx
[00001c26] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00001c29] 50         push eax        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00001c2d] 51         push ecx        ; push DD 1c22
[00001c2e] e80ff7ffff call 00001342   ; call HH
[00001c33] 83c408     add esp,+08
[00001c36] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00001c39] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[00001c3d] 7402       jz 00001c41
[00001c3f] ebfe       jmp 00001c3f
[00001c41] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00001c44] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00001c46] 5d         pop ebp
[00001c47] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0038) [00001c47]
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
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