Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language

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Sujet : Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 01. Jul 2024, 04:16:03
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On 6/30/24 9:38 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/30/24 9:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 7:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>
I had to dumb this down because even the smartest
people here were overwhelmed:
>
The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are
correctly emulated by any pure function x86 emulator
HHH at machine address 0000217a cannot possibly return.
>
But that is NOT the "behavior of the input", and CAN NOT BE SO DEFINED.
>
 I don't understand why you so stupidly lie about this.
 _DDD()
[00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d               pop ebp
[00002183] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
 DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
 
And, since the HHH that DDD calls will abort is emulation, it WILL return to DDD and it will return also.
You seem to be confused by the fact that the outer HHH stopped looking at the behavior of its input when it aborted its simulation.
HHH aborting its emulation DOES NOT STOP THE BEHAVIOR OF THE MACHINE IT WAS EMULATING.
Also, "DDD" isn't just the bytes you list above, or your problem isn't properly defined, as then HHH can not correct emulate its input past the call instructions, which is a ERROR you keep on repeating.
THe input to HHH must include ALL of the code of DDD and everything it calls, or it isn't a proper input, and you are just shown to have been lying for years about that.

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29 Jun 24 * People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language72olcott
29 Jun 24 +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language21Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language20olcott
29 Jun 24 i `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language19Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language18olcott
29 Jun 24 i   `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language17Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i    `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language16olcott
29 Jun 24 i     `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language15Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i      `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language14olcott
29 Jun 24 i       `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language13Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i        `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language12olcott
29 Jun 24 i         `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language11Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i          `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language10olcott
29 Jun 24 i           `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language9Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i            `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language8olcott
30 Jun 24 i             `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language7Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i              `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language6olcott
30 Jun 24 i               `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language5Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i                `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language4olcott
30 Jun 24 i                 `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i                  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language2olcott
30 Jun 24 i                   `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language48olcott
30 Jun 24 i+* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language37Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 ii+* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3olcott
30 Jun 24 iii+- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
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30 Jun 24 ii+* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language29olcott
30 Jun 24 iii`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language28Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language27olcott
1 Jul 24 iii  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language26Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii   `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language25olcott
1 Jul 24 iii    `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language24Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii     `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language23olcott
1 Jul 24 iii      `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language22Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii       `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language21olcott
1 Jul 24 iii        `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language20Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii         `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language19olcott
1 Jul 24 iii          `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language18Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii           `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language17olcott
1 Jul 24 iii            `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language16Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii             +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language11olcott
1 Jul 24 iii             i`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language10Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii             i `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language9olcott
2 Jul 24 iii             i  +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 iii             i  i`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language2olcott
2 Jul 24 iii             i  i `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 iii             i  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language5Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 iii             i   `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language4olcott
2 Jul 24 iii             i    `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 iii             i     `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language2olcott
2 Jul 24 iii             i      `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii             `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language4olcott
1 Jul 24 iii              `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 iii               `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language2olcott
2 Jul 24 iii                `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 ii`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged4olcott
1 Jul 24 ii `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged3Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 ii  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged2olcott
1 Jul 24 ii   `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged1Richard Damon
1 Jul 24 i+* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language6Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul 24 ii`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language5olcott
1 Jul 24 ii `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language4Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul 24 ii  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3olcott
1 Jul 24 ii   `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language2olcott
1 Jul 24 ii    `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i`* DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that can possibly exist DOES NOT HALT4olcott
3 Jul 24 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that can possibly exist DOES NOT HALT3Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that can possibly exist DOES NOT HALT2olcott
4 Jul 24 i   `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that can possibly exist DOES NOT HALT1Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul 24 +- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul 24 `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1olcott

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