Sujet : Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H--
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 15. Mar 2024, 11:36:36
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Op 15.mrt.2024 om 03:40 schreef olcott:
On 3/14/2024 9:34 PM, immibis wrote:
On 15/03/24 03:29, olcott wrote:
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*Actually it is the fact that the top H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ (not a copy) does*
*get this correctly that proves that H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not meet the*
*original criteria because it does meet the above criteria*
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Execution trace of H applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(1) H applied ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
(2) which begins at simulated ⟨Ĥ.q0⟩
(a) Ĥ.q0 The input ⟨Ĥ⟩ is copied then transitions to Ĥ.H
(b) Ĥ.H applied ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ (input and copy) simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
(c) which begins at its own simulated ⟨Ĥ.q0⟩ to repeat the process
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The earliest point when Turing machine H can detect the repeating
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Whensoever H detects the repeating state and aborts it is incorrect because the state is not repeating. The state is repeating if H does not detect the repeating state.
You keep saying that H(D,D) never really needs to abort the
simulation of its input because after H(D,D) has aborted the
simulation of this input it no longer needs to be aborted.
Do you finally understand it? Hah(Dah,Dah) does not need to abort, because Dah halts. Hah should look at its input Dah (which aborts), not at its non-input Dss (which does not abort).
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
7 Mar 24 | We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 52 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 49 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 48 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 18 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 2 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 10 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 8 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 7 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 6 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 5 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 4 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 3 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 2 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 5 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 4 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) --closure yet?-- | 3 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) --closure yet?-- | 2 | | olcott |
9 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) --Richard goes around in circles-- | 1 | | immibis |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 29 | | André G. Isaak |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 27 | | immibis |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 23 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 22 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 21 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 20 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 19 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 18 | | Yaxley Peaks |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 17 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 13 | | Fred. Zwarts |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 12 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 2 | | Richard Damon |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 1 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 9 | | immibis |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 8 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 5 | | immibis |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 4 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 3 | | immibis |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 2 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 1 | | immibis |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 2 | | Richard Damon |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D)==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 1 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 3 | | immibis |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D) ==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 2 | | olcott |
15 Mar 24 | Re: H(D,D) ==0 is correct when reports on the actual behavior that it sees --outermost H-- | 1 | | immibis |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 3 | | Richard Damon |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 2 | | immibis |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | olcott |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 2 | | immibis |
8 Mar 24 | Re: We finally know exactly how H1(D,D) derives a different result than H(D,D) | 1 | | olcott |