Sujet : Re: D simulated by H never halts no matter what H does V3
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theoryDate : 30. Apr 2024, 01:19:18
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On 4/29/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote:
On 4/29/2024 4:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-28 13:13:48 +0000, olcott said:
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On 4/28/2024 3:40 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-27 17:51:17 +0000, olcott said:
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When you agree that H(D,D) is a correct termination analyzer within
my definition then we can proceed to the next point about whether
my definition is correct or diverges from the standard definition.
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Nobody will agree that H(D,D) is a correct termination analyzer
until you post a definition of "termination analyzer" and compare
H(D,D) to that definition. And nut even then if the comparison is
insufficient or erronous.
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Unless they go through every single slight nuance of the details
of my reasoning they won't be able to see that I am correct.
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Then the expected result is that they will never see that you are correct.
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Unless I insist that they go through every single slight nuance of the
details of my reasoning THEY ALWAYS LEAP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM
WRONG SIMPLY IGNORING WHAT I SAY.
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Is there any reason to expect a differen result if you do insist?
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I now have an airtight proof that I am correct. People ignore all of
the words and leap to the conclusion that I must be wrong.
I refuse to move past the first step of the proof until we have
mutual agreement on this first step. Here is the fist step:
int H(ptr x, ptr y); // ptr is pointer to int function
01 int D(ptr x)
02 {
03 int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
04 if (Halt_Status)
05 HERE: goto HERE;
06 return Halt_Status;
07 }
08
09 void main()
10 {
11 H(D,D);
12 }
Simulating termination analyzer H determines whether or not
D(D) simulated by H can possibly reach its final state at its
own line 06 and halt whether or not H aborts its simulation.
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
(a) It is a verified fact that D(D) simulated by H cannot
possibly reach past line 03 of D(D) simulated by H whether H
aborts its simulation or not.
Except that I have pointed out several ways that some H could get its simulation to that line.
Thus, your "Airtight proof" is about as good as a screen door on a submarine.
You FAIL.
IF you don't remember them, that just shows that you haven't been discussion in good faith.
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
18 Apr 24 | Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 323 | | olcott |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 262 | | Richard Damon |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 261 | | olcott |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 260 | | Richard Damon |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 259 | | olcott |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 258 | | Richard Damon |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 56 | | olcott |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 4 | | olcott |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 3 | | Richard Damon |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 2 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 50 | | Mikko |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 49 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 47 | | Mikko |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 46 | | olcott |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 43 | | Mikko |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 10 | | olcott |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 5 | | Mikko |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 4 | | olcott |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 3 | | Mikko |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 2 | | olcott |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Mikko |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 4 | | Richard Damon |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 3 | | olcott |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Mikko |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 32 | | olcott |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 31 | | Mikko |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 30 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 29 | | Mikko |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 28 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 27 | | Mikko |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 26 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 7 | | Ross Finlayson |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 6 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 4 | | Ross Finlayson |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 3 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 2 | | Richard Damon |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
27 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 17 | | Mikko |
27 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 16 | | olcott |
28 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 15 | | Mikko |
28 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 14 | | olcott |
29 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 13 | | Mikko |
29 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 12 | | olcott |
29 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 11 | | Mikko |
29 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 10 | | olcott |
30 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 9 | | Mikko |
30 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 8 | | olcott |
1 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 7 | | Mikko |
1 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 6 | | olcott |
2 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 5 | | Mikko |
2 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 4 | | olcott |
3 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 3 | | Mikko |
3 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 2 | | olcott |
4 May 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- | 1 | | Mikko |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 2 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
19 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 199 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 3 | | Richard Damon |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 2 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 195 | | Mikko |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 194 | | olcott |
20 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 3 | | Richard Damon |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 2 | | olcott |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 190 | | Mikko |
21 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 189 | | olcott |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 188 | | Mikko |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 187 | | olcott |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 186 | | Mikko |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 1 | | olcott |
22 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 184 | | olcott |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 183 | | Mikko |
23 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 182 | | olcott |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- | 181 | | Mikko |
24 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 180 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 149 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 148 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 10 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 9 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 8 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 7 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 6 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 2 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 2 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 137 | | Mikko |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 136 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 134 | | Mikko |
26 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 26 | | olcott |
26 Apr 24 | D simulated by H never halts no matter what H does | 107 | | olcott |
25 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --H(D,D)-- | 30 | | Mikko |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 54 | | olcott |
18 Apr 24 | Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 | 6 | | olcott |