Sujet : Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest?
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 26. May 2024, 16:13:04
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On 5/26/2024 6:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
typedef int (*ptr)(); // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00 int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01 int D(ptr p)
02 {
03 int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04 if (Halt_Status)
05 HERE: goto HERE;
06 return Halt_Status;
07 }
08
09 int main()
10 {
11 H(D,D);
12 return 0;
13 }
Because, as I have said, the answer and reasoning changes depending on what you acknowledged are the implications of your stipulations. For instance, if your actual understanding of being a "Pure Function" is that the program is the equivalent of a Turing Machine, then we need to add a strictness to the definition that isn't normally used for just "Pure Functions", like accessing value of registers like the program counter or stack pointer might not be allowed in some cases. (which breaks you H).
Since we can see (and you already agreed) that D correctly simulated
by pure simulator H remains stuck in infinite recursive simulation then
we also know that D never reaches its own line 06 and halts in less
than an infinite number of correctly simulated steps.
This is what I had in mind all along. Because I am a relatively
terrible communicator it takes me a very long time to translate
my intuitions into simple words.
-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 23 | | Richard Damon |
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24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
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25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
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24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
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26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 66 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 65 | | Richard Damon |
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