Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down

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Sujet : Re: Two dozen people were simply wrong --- Try to prove otherwise --- pinned down
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.com (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 01. Jun 2024, 21:12:18
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Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 11:22:05 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 6/1/2024 11:06 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 01.jun.2024 om 17:51 schreef olcott:
On 6/1/2024 10:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 01.jun.2024 om 17:17 schreef olcott:
On 6/1/2024 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 01.jun.2024 om 01:57 schreef olcott:
On 5/31/2024 6:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/31/24 6:54 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/31/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/31/2024 4:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/31/24 10:10 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/31/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/30/24 11:27 PM, olcott wrote:
Halting criteria are the same for all functions. If the direct
execution of HH(DD,DD) proves that HH halts, then the direct
execution of DD also proves that DD halts.
>
*HH is required to report on the behavior that its input specifies* HH
is not allowed to report on the behavior of DD(DD) {the computation
that itself is contained within}.
 
The input of HH is HH as part of DD. (Remember DD calls HH.)
So, when HH is required to report about its input, it reports about the
behaviour of both DD and HH.
 
 
HH correctly reports that because DD calls HH(DD,DD) in recursive
simulation that DD never halts.
 
HHH(HH,DD,DD) would report that HH halts.
What is this now? All H behave the same, if given identical inputs.

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