Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review

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Sujet : Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 05. Jun 2024, 02:47:49
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On 6/4/24 1:12 PM, olcott wrote:

It might be good for you to quit calling me a liar, everyone here
knows that I am not a liar. I don't see how you could be so confused
to believe that I do not believe what I say. If you call me a liar
knowing that I do believe what I say that might possibly get you
condemned to Hell and I don't want that.
 
But you ARE a LIAR, and I suspect you tell more lies than truth (or it might just seem that way).
For instance, you keep on saying that DD doesn't halt. but it does, and you have admitted as much for at least an essentially similar machine.
You CLEARLY stated that D(D) Halted since H(D,D) returned 0, but then tried to claim that for "reasons" (that you could never actually prove) H saying that a halting machine was non-halting was somehow "correct".
You last couple of years have been you fumbling around with many different (and flawed) arguments to try to show a reason that the definitionally incorrect answer was correct, and the best you have done is to just admit you are working on a different problem, but that you different problem should be though of a "good enough" because it must be to save the world, even though it needs to contradict all logic to do so.

There is no need to show the 251 pages of the the execution trace of the simulated HH simulating DD because we can conclusively proof that HH is correctly simulating DD and the simulated DD is correctly simulating DD
entirely on the basis that the execution traces provide exactly match
the behavior specified by the x86 machine code of DD.
But it IS if you want to claim that is what it actually does, and then you need to show that your proof works with THAT trace, not the non-trace that you LIE to say is a "correcct trace" when it clearly fails to meet even your definition.

 *The details are here*
On 6/4/2024 11:28 AM, olcott wrote:
[Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD)
  simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry]
 *I had to insert another paragraph into the original post*
 
And why do we care about a "correct simulation" that is done by a definition that fails to meet the requirements to prove your ultimate statement?

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3 Jun 24 * Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?172immibis
3 Jun 24 +* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?2Richard Damon
3 Jun 24 i`- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?1wij
3 Jun 24 +* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?149Mike Terry
3 Jun 24 i+* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review19olcott
3 Jun 24 ii+- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1Richard Damon
3 Jun 24 ii+- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1immibis
3 Jun 24 ii`* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review16Mike Terry
3 Jun 24 ii `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review15olcott
4 Jun 24 ii  +- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 ii  `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review13Mike Terry
4 Jun 24 ii   `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review12olcott
4 Jun 24 ii    `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review11Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 ii     `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review10olcott
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5 Jun 24 ii      i `- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 ii      `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review6Mike Terry
4 Jun 24 ii       `* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review5olcott
4 Jun 24 ii        +* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review3Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 ii        i`* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review2olcott
5 Jun 24 ii        i `- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 ii        `- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Mikes Review1immibis
3 Jun 24 i+- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?1wij
3 Jun 24 i+- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?1wij
3 Jun 24 i`* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway?127Ben Bacarisse
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3 Jun 24 i i+* Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Ben's Review85Fred. Zwarts
3 Jun 24 i ii`* Mike Terry Reply to Fred Zwarts84olcott
4 Jun 24 i ii +* Re: Mike Terry Reply to Fred Zwarts82Fred. Zwarts
4 Jun 24 i ii i`* Re: Mike Terry Reply to Fred Zwarts81Fred. Zwarts
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4 Jun 24 i ii `- Re: Mike Terry Reply to Fred Zwarts1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jun 24 i i+- Re: Why does Olcott care about simulation, anyway? --- Ben's Review1Richard Damon
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