H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)

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Sujet : H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 14. Jun 2024, 05:14:52
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On 6/13/2024 10:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/13/24 9:39 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>
It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H computes
the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to
H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by
the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>
>
Why? I don't claim it can.
>
>
That means that H cannot even be asked the question:
"Does D halt on its input?"
 WHy not? After all, H does what it does, the PERSON we ask is the programmer.
 
*When H and D have a pathological relationship to each other*
There is no way to encode any H such that it can be asked:
Does D(D) halt?
You must see this from the POV of H or you won't get it.
H cannot read your theory of computation textbooks, it
only knows what it directly sees, its actual input.
If there is no possible way for H to transform its input
into the behavior of D(D) then H cannot be asked about
the behavior of D(D).
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
10 Jun 24 * Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---270olcott
10 Jun 24 +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---267Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error266olcott
11 Jun 24 i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error265Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error264olcott
11 Jun 24 i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error263Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten262olcott
12 Jun 24 i     +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten260Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten259olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten223Python
12 Jun 24 i     i i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten222olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten221Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     i i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten220olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten219Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     i i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules218olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules217Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i      `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules216olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules215Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules214olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i         `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules213Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i          `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules212olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i           `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules211Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i            `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules210olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i             `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules209Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i              `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules208olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i               `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules207Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i                `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules206olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules205Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i                  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules204olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i                   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules203Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i                    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules202olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules201Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules172olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules171Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i `* H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)170olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)169Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)168olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)167Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)166olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)58Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)57olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)56Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)6olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)5Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)4olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)3Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)2olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i    `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)49olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)48Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.47olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.39Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.38olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.37Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.36olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.35Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.34olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.33Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i      `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.32olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i       `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.31Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i        `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.30olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i         `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.29Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i          `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.28olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i           `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.27Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i            `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.26olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i             `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.25Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i              `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.24olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i               `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.23Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.22olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                 `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.21Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.20olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.19Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.18olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.17Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                      `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.16olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                       `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.15Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                        `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.14olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                         `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.13Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                          `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.12olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                           `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.11Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                            `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.10olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                             `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.9Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                              `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.8olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                               `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.7Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.6olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                 `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.5Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.4olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.3Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.2olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                     `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.7joes
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i      `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.6olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i       `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)5Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)2olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        i`- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)2olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i         `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)1Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply48olcott
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply47Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply44olcott
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply43Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply2olcott
22 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      `* DDD correctly emulated by H059olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      +* H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 ---ignoring all other replies12olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      `* H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3 ---IGNORING ALL OTHER REPLIES16olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten35Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Fred. Zwarts
10 Jun 24 +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---1olcott
11 Jun 24 `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1olcott

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