Sujet : Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 21. Jun 2024, 19:16:57
Autres entêtes
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On 6/21/2024 12:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 12:56 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/21/2024 9:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 12:01 AM, olcott wrote:
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_DDD()
[00002093] 55 push ebp
[00002094] 8bec mov ebp,esp
[00002096] 6893200000 push 00002093 ; push DDD
[0000209b] e853f4ffff call 000014f3 ; call HH0
[000020a0] 83c404 add esp,+04
[000020a3] 5d pop ebp
[000020a4] c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000020a4]
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That is the only definitive way to determine the
actual behavior that the finite string specifies.
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It is the only was to COMPUTE the actual behavior, but to DETERMINE it doesn't need that.
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Ah so you expect that HH0 must use its intuition to
determine that behavior that it is supposed to report on.
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Nope, if it exists, it needs to compute the answer. But, it doesn't need to exist as a correct decider for halting.
If H(D,D) cannot apply finite string transformation rules
to its input finite string of x86 machine language of D to
derive the behavior of D(D) then H cannot even be asked
the question: Does D(D) halt?
H(D,D) is being asked the question:
Must your correct simulation of D be aborted to prevent
your own non-termination?
It answers that question correctly.
All undecidable decision problems make this same sort of mistake.
Incorrect yes/no questions have no correct yes/no answer.
-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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10 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- | 270 | | olcott |
10 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- | 267 | | Richard Damon |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error | 266 | | olcott |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error | 265 | | Richard Damon |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error | 264 | | olcott |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error | 263 | | Richard Damon |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 262 | | olcott |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 260 | | Richard Damon |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 259 | | olcott |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 223 | | Python |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 222 | | olcott |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 221 | | Richard Damon |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 220 | | olcott |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 219 | | Richard Damon |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 218 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 217 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 216 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 215 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 214 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 213 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 212 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 211 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 210 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 209 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 208 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 207 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 206 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 205 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 204 | | olcott |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 203 | | Richard Damon |
13 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 202 | | olcott |
14 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 201 | | Richard Damon |
14 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 172 | | olcott |
14 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules | 171 | | Richard Damon |
14 Jun 24 | H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 170 | | olcott |
14 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 169 | | Richard Damon |
14 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 168 | | olcott |
14 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 167 | | Richard Damon |
14 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 166 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 58 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 57 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 56 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 6 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 5 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 4 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 3 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 2 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 49 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) | 48 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 47 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 39 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 38 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 37 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 36 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 35 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 34 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 33 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 32 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 31 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 30 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 29 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 28 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 27 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 26 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 25 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 24 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 23 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 22 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 21 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 20 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 19 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 18 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 17 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 16 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 15 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 14 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 13 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 12 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 11 | | Richard Damon |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 10 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 9 | | Richard Damon |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 8 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 7 | | Richard Damon |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 6 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 5 | | Richard Damon |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 4 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 3 | | Richard Damon |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 2 | | olcott |
16 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 7 | | joes |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. | 6 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood) | 5 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood) | 2 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood) | 2 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
21 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply | 48 | | olcott |
21 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply | 47 | | Richard Damon |
21 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply | 44 | | olcott |
21 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply | 43 | | Richard Damon |
21 Jun 24 | Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply | 2 | | olcott |
22 Jun 24 | DDD correctly emulated by H0 | 59 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 ---ignoring all other replies | 12 | | olcott |
15 Jun 24 | H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3 ---IGNORING ALL OTHER REPLIES | 16 | | olcott |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 35 | | Richard Damon |
12 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 1 | | Fred. Zwarts |
10 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- | 1 | | olcott |
11 Jun 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten | 1 | | olcott |