Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply

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Sujet : Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 21. Jun 2024, 19:16:57
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On 6/21/2024 12:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 12:56 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/21/2024 9:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 12:01 AM, olcott wrote:
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_DDD()
[00002093] 55               push ebp
[00002094] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[00002096] 6893200000       push 00002093 ; push DDD
[0000209b] e853f4ffff       call 000014f3 ; call HH0
[000020a0] 83c404           add esp,+04
[000020a3] 5d               pop ebp
[000020a4] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000020a4]
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That is the only definitive way to determine the
actual behavior that the finite string specifies.
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It is the only was to COMPUTE the actual behavior, but to DETERMINE it doesn't need that.
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Ah so you expect that HH0 must use its intuition to
determine that behavior that it is supposed to report on.
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  Nope, if it exists, it needs to compute the answer. But, it doesn't need to exist as a correct decider for halting.
 
If H(D,D) cannot apply finite string transformation rules
to its input finite string of x86 machine language of D to
derive the behavior of D(D) then H cannot even be asked
the question: Does D(D) halt?
H(D,D) is being asked the question:
Must your correct simulation of D be aborted to prevent
your own non-termination?
It answers that question correctly.
All undecidable decision problems make this same sort of mistake.
Incorrect yes/no questions have no correct yes/no answer.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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10 Jun 24 * Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---270olcott
10 Jun 24 +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---267Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error266olcott
11 Jun 24 i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error265Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error264olcott
11 Jun 24 i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- Richard admits his error263Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten262olcott
12 Jun 24 i     +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten260Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten259olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten223Python
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13 Jun 24 i     i i      `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules216olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules215Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules214olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i         `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules213Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i          `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules212olcott
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13 Jun 24 i     i i                `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules206olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules205Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i                  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules204olcott
13 Jun 24 i     i i                   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules203Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i     i i                    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules202olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules201Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules172olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- finite string transformation rules171Richard Damon
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14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)169Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)168olcott
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)167Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i     i i                      i     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)166olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)58Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)57olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)56Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)6olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)5Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i  i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)4olcott
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15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D)48Richard Damon
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15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.39Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.38olcott
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15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                         `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.13Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                          `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.12olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                           `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.11Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                            `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.10olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                             `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.9Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                              `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.8olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                               `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.7Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.6olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                 `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.5Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.4olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                   `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.3Richard Damon
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                    `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.2olcott
16 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     i                                     `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i     `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.7joes
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i      `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken.6olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i       `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)5Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)2olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        i`- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i        `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)2olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i         `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Truth Itself is not Broken. (Just misunderstood)1Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply48olcott
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply47Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i +* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply44olcott
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply43Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) --- Boilerplate Reply2olcott
22 Jun 24 i     i i                      i      `* DDD correctly emulated by H059olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      +* H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2 ---ignoring all other replies12olcott
15 Jun 24 i     i i                      `* H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3 ---IGNORING ALL OTHER REPLIES16olcott
12 Jun 24 i     i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten35Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i     `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Fred. Zwarts
10 Jun 24 +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---1olcott
11 Jun 24 `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1olcott

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