Liste des Groupes | Revenir à s logic |
On 7/6/24 2:37 PM, olcott wrote:You have ignored my reference to a book that was classifiedOn 7/6/2024 1:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:No, you have fallen for the lie that real truth doesn't exist.On 7/6/24 1:59 PM, olcott wrote:>>>
The essence of all of this is explained in the great book.
https://www.amazon.com/What-Are-You-Doing-Universe/dp/0878770658
>
The original version of this book tells the reader that they
themselves are the one and only creator of the universe.
The library of congress classifies this book as possible truth
Philosophical Anthropology Miscellanea
>
Later versions of this book have an identical body yet come with
the caveat this this is a possible truth not a declared fact.
And by promoting such ideas, you show that you do not believe in the actual all powerful God that did create the univesre, and thus whe it
I have long since fully understood that beliefs and
disbelief are lies that we tell ourselves. They are
lies because they close the mind to additional information.
That the bible says God himself would send a delusion cannot>Right, but since you do not have a faith in the actual creator of the universe, you are unable to avail yourself of his grace to let you have the relationship you need with him, so will forever be outside of him.comes time for the judgement of your life, you will be found lacking in the faith needed to redeam you from your failings, and thus spend your eternity seperated from him, in the place, best described in human terms, as the eternal fires of Hell.Faith is not the same thing as the mere presumption that
>
beliefs often are. Faith is the substance of things hoped for
not the presumption that we are correct thus others are wrong.
You may not belevie that now, but if you honestly look at the outcome of your beliefs and your life, you should be able to see that they don't have any better foundation. I KNOW that what I believe is true, because I have put it to the test, and he has proven himself faithful.
>Nope.If you are not convinced, which is the more likely origin of the world, and which decision has the more impact on what you should do.I am testing the hypothesis that I was deceived by Satan.
>
>
Every translation of the bible agrees that God himself would
be this deceiver.
>Read the context. Man because of our sin, can not directly see God at work.
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false,
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Thessalonians%202:11
My system does not get stuck like the Tarski system.>But you ignore that truth when it shows itself to you.
I have ALWAYS only wanted what-ever the truth turns out to be
even if everyone in the universe disagrees.
>Nope, that is just your own deception. The human use of language just isn't that good and has flaws in it.
*THE TRUTH OF THIS SEEMS INFALLIBLY CORRECT*
That every expression of language that is {true on the basis of
its meaning expressed using language} must have a connection by
truth preserving operations to its {meaning expressed using language}
is a tautology. The accurate model of the actual world is expressed
using formal language and formalized natural language.
>
*Meaning that all of math and logic that disagrees are WRONG*
>
And, you presume that an "accurate model of the actual world" exists (or even can exist). The fundamental problem is that we only know of the world though IMPERFECT observations, and thus can only make an imperfect model of the world.We perfectly know that kittens are not 15 story office buildings.
Yes, you can do a lot through a known imperfect model, but you need to know the imperfections in it to understand its limits.My model is a semantic tautology thus cannot possibly be erroneous.
Your logic starts by requiring begining with a perfect knowledge of what is, which is impossible, and is the sort of error you keep on making, of assuming something as "must be true" when it is just impossible.The main thing that my model very clearly does is toss out
Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.