Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)

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Sujet : Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 08. Aug 2024, 18:01:19
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On 8/8/2024 1:40 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-07 14:04:09 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 8/7/2024 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-06 11:47:01 +0000, olcott said:
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On 8/6/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-04 12:04:23 +0000, olcott said:
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On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said:
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On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said:
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On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said:
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The truth about every expression of language that can be known
to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is
that a lack of connection simply means untrue.
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Does that really mean something? If the significance of the lack of
connection is restricted to sentences where the connection exists
then it seems that you are talking about nothing.
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https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/
I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic
distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this
distinction does not exist.
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You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and the
distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one
at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did
you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists?
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Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood
that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of
(~Married + Adult + Male).
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It is not a good idea to lie about other people.
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When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation
is much less convincing than Quine's.
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Try and show the details of how I am incorrect.
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What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and unjustified,
which alone is wrong.
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The bottom line here is that every objection that he could
have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to
the definition of {analytic truth}
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*Original definition* of {Analytic truth}
Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is
true on the basis of its meaning...
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So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor
is not married" comes from the meaning of the words?
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If he said that then he would be saying that he has no
objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is
famous for having an objection to this.
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What makes you thing he has no objection not involving batchelors to
the analytinc/synthetic distinction?
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I only skimmed his paper. I don't have to even look at anything
that said besides his conclusion to know that it is wrong.
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In that case you don't know how sensitive his conclusion is to
a minor change in argument.
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All that I care about is unambiguously defining the term
{true on the basis of meaning} so that I can show Tarski and
Gödel are wrong.
 That does not justify your lies about Quine.
 
It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding
how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works.
I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters
to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are
{true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language}
so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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29 Jul 24 * Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue219olcott
29 Jul 24 +* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue3Richard Damon
29 Jul 24 i`* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue2olcott
30 Jul 24 i `- Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue1Richard Damon
29 Jul 24 +- Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue V21olcott
30 Jul 24 +* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue212Mikko
30 Jul 24 i`* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue211olcott
31 Jul 24 i `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue210Mikko
31 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue209olcott
2 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue208Mikko
2 Aug 24 i    +* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue206olcott
3 Aug 24 i    i`* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue205Mikko
3 Aug 24 i    i `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue204olcott
3 Aug 24 i    i  +* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue9Richard Damon
3 Aug 24 i    i  i`* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue8olcott
3 Aug 24 i    i  i `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue7Richard Damon
3 Aug 24 i    i  i  +* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue5olcott
4 Aug 24 i    i  i  i`* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue4Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i    i  i  i `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue3olcott
4 Aug 24 i    i  i  i  +- Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue1Python
4 Aug 24 i    i  i  i  `- Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue1Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i    i  i  `- Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue1olcott
4 Aug 24 i    i  `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue194Mikko
4 Aug 24 i    i   `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue193olcott
6 Aug 24 i    i    `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue192Mikko
6 Aug 24 i    i     `* x true.191olcott
6 Aug 24 i    i      +* Re: x true.2Jim Burns
6 Aug 24 i    i      i`- Boolean True(L, x) refuting Tarski1olcott
6 Aug 24 i    i      +* Re: x true.2joes
6 Aug 24 i    i      i`- Re: x true.1olcott
7 Aug 24 i    i      +* Re: x true.185Mikko
7 Aug 24 i    i      i`* True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)184olcott
8 Aug 24 i    i      i `* Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)183Mikko
8 Aug 24 i    i      i  `* Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)182olcott
9 Aug 24 i    i      i   `* Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)181Mikko
9 Aug 24 i    i      i    `* Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)180olcott
9 Aug 24 i    i      i     +* This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable177olcott
10 Aug 24 i    i      i     i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable176Mikko
10 Aug 24 i    i      i     i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable175olcott
12 Aug 24 i    i      i     i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable174Mikko
12 Aug 24 i    i      i     i   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable173olcott
12 Aug 24 i    i      i     i    +- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Richard Damon
13 Aug 24 i    i      i     i    `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable171Mikko
13 Aug 24 i    i      i     i     `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable170olcott
15 Aug 24 i    i      i     i      `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable169Mikko
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable159olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i+* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable6Mikko
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       ii`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable5olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       ii `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable4Mikko
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       ii  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable3olcott
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       ii   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable2Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       ii    `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable152Richard Damon
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable151olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable142Richard Damon
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable141olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable136Richard Damon
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i+* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable2olcott
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i ii`- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Richard Damon
16 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable133olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable131Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable130olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable112Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable111olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable110Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable109olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable108Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i    `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable107olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable99Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable98olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable97Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable96olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable42Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable41olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable40Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable39olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable34Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable33olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable28Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable27olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable25Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable24olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable22Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable21olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable20Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable19olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable17Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable16olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable14Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable13olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable12Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable11olcott
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   +* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable9Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i`* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable8olcott
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable7Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable6olcott
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable5Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i    `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable4olcott
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i     `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable3Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i      `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable2olcott
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   i       `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i i   `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   i `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i i   `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i i `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i i `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable4Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   i   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable4Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     i   `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable53Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i i     `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable7Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable17Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i i `- Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  i `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable4Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       i  `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable8Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    i      i     i       `* Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable9olcott
10 Aug 24 i    i      i     +- Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)1Mikko
10 Aug 24 i    i      i     `- Re: True on the basis of meaning (and not any other kind)1Mikko
7 Aug 24 i    i      `- Re: x true. but only if it IS true.1Richard Damon
2 Aug 24 i    `- Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue1olcott
31 Jul 24 `* Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue2olcott

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