Holy Shit: AI is cheaper than Humans (Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise)

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Sujet : Holy Shit: AI is cheaper than Humans (Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise)
De : janburse (at) *nospam* fastmail.fm (Mild Shock)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 01. Sep 2024, 22:39:20
Autres entêtes
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The carbon emissions of writing and illustrating
are lower for AI than for humans
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54271-x
Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas says that the cost per
query in AI models has decreased by 100x in the past
2 years and quality will improve as hallucinations
decrease 10x per year
https://twitter.com/tsarnick/status/1830045611036721254
Disclaimer: Can't verify the later claim... need to find a paper.
Mild Shock schrieb:
Could be a wake-up call this many participants
already in the commitee, that the whole logic
world was asleep for many years:
 Non-Classical Logics. Theory and Applications XI,
5-8 September 2024, Lodz (Poland)
https://easychair.org/cfp/NCL24
 Why is Minimal Logic at the core of many things?
Because it is the logic of Curry-Howard isomoprhism
for symple types:
 ----------------
Γ ∪ { A } ⊢ A
 Γ ∪ { A } ⊢ B
----------------
Γ ⊢ A → B
 Γ ⊢ A → B           Δ ⊢ A
----------------------------
Γ ∪ Δ ⊢ B
 And funny things can happen, especially when people
hallucinate duality or think symmetry is given, for
example in newer inventions such as λμ-calculus,
 but then omg ~~p => p is nevertheless not provable,
because they forgot an inference rule. LoL
 Recommended reading so far:
 Propositional Logics Related to Heyting’s and Johansson’s
February 2008 - Krister Segerberg
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228036664
 The Logic of Church and Curry
Jonathan P. Seldin - 2009
https://www.sciencedirect.com/handbook/handbook-of-the-history-of-logic/vol/5/suppl/C   Meanwhile I am going back to my tinkering with my
Prolog system, which even provides a more primitive
logic than minimal logic, pure Prolog is minimal
 logic without embedded implication.

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5 Jul 24 i     `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise124olcott
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5 Jul 24 i       `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise120olcott
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5 Jul 24 i           `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise116olcott
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6 Jul 24 i             `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise114olcott
6 Jul 24 i              `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise113Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i               `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise112olcott
6 Jul 24 i                `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise111Richard Damon
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6 Jul 24 i                  `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise109Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i                   `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise108olcott
6 Jul 24 i                    `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise107Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i                     `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise106olcott
6 Jul 24 i                      `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise105Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i                       `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise104olcott
6 Jul 24 i                        `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise103Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                         `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise102olcott
7 Jul 24 i                          `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise101Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                           `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise100olcott
7 Jul 24 i                            `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise99Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                             `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise98olcott
7 Jul 24 i                              `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise97Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                               `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise96olcott
7 Jul 24 i                                `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise95Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                                 `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise94olcott
7 Jul 24 i                                  `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise93Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                                   `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise92olcott
7 Jul 24 i                                    `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise91Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                                     `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise90olcott
7 Jul 24 i                                      `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise89Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i                                       `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise88olcott
7 Jul 24 i                                        `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise87Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                         +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise2olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                         i`- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                         +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise2olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                         i`- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                         +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise2olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                         i`- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                         +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- news group failure2olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                         i`- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- news group failure1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                         `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure78Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                          `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure77olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                           `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure76Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                            `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure75olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                             `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure74olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                              +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure7Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                              i`* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure6olcott
8 Jul 24 i                                              i `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure5Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i                                              i  `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure4olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                              i   `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                              i    `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure2olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                              i     `- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                              `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure66olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                               `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure65Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure64olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                 `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure63Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard contradicts himself6olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i`* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard contradicts himself5Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard contradicts himself4olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i  `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott lies as he POOPs himself3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i   `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard caught in contradiction2olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i    `- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott shows his stupidity.1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard caught in inescapable contradiction5olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i`* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott caught in inescapable contradiction4Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard caught in inescapable contradiction3olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i  +- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott caught in inescapable lie1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i  `- Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott caught in inescapable contradiction1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Richard contradicts himself right here3olcott
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i`* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- Olcott doesn't understand about formal systems and meta2Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i                                                  i `- Shut the Fuck Up Richard Damon and olcott1Mild Shock
10 Jul 24 i                                                  +* Richard contradicts himself about infinite proofs2olcott
10 Jul 24 i                                                  i`- Re: Olcott doesn't understand meta-systems1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24 i                                                  `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure46olcott
11 Jul 24 i                                                   +* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure11Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i`* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure10olcott
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i `* Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure9Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i  `* Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge8olcott
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i   `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge7Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i    `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge6olcott
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i     `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge5Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i      `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge4olcott
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i       `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge3Richard Damon
11 Jul 24 i                                                   i        `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge2olcott
12 Jul 24 i                                                   i         `- Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge, but do define Truth!1Richard Damon
15 Jul 24 i                                                   `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Richard is proved wrong34olcott
16 Jul 24 i                                                    `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Olcott is proved wrong33Richard Damon
16 Jul 24 i                                                     `* Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Olcott is proved wrong32olcott
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