Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases

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Sujet : Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 15. Sep 2024, 10:59:29
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On 2024-09-14 21:26:42 +0000, olcott said:

On 9/13/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-13 01:17:15 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 9/12/2024 3:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-11 12:14:53 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 9/11/2024 2:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-10 13:23:39 +0000, olcott said:
 
 They all have negation as failure, the key element
required to reject self-contradictory expressions.
 The not operator of Prolog is not a part of Horn clause system. It is
not the same as the not operator of ordinary logic. Therefore one nust
be careful with its use and interpretation.
 You have not defined what you mean with "reject" and how that relates
to the behaviour of Prolog programs.
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation_as_failure
The failure to prove X from Facts and Rules
means that X is untrue yet not necessarily false.
 The failure to prove X or ~X from Facts and Rules
means that X is untrue and unfalse, thus not a
truth bearer.
 X may represent a real world claim that is either true or false but
cannot be determined either way with Prolog rules.
 
 When a Prolog Fact is specified that cats are animals
then we can know by Prolog Facts that cats are animals.
 We know that even if no Prolog fact about that is specified.
 Not one single being in the universe understood
that "cats are animals" was anything but pure gibberish
until this was specified.
That was well understood long before there was any Prolog.
Even before "cat" and "animal" were words in the same language
similar relations were understood but expressed with other
words.

Prolog is like a 100% empty mind until we tell it
some facts it literally knows nothing.
 When we tell it "cats are animals" is a fact it knows
literally nothing else.
 The entire verbal model of the actual world is built
this same way.
It is not a model of the actual world unless the words are related
to the actual world.

"The Earth is spherical" makes exactly as much sense
as "dgfjlok ergkoi rti932rm 45 njedfww" until specified
otherwise.
The meanings of the words "Earth" and "spherical" come from tradition,
not from specifications. Specifications may override the meanings
for some purposes (in which case "The Earth is spherical" can be false
as the Earth is not exactly spherical).
--
Mikko

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1 Sep 24 * I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases50olcott
1 Sep 24 +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
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2 Sep 24  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases46Mikko
2 Sep 24   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases45olcott
2 Sep 24    +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
3 Sep 24    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases43Mikko
3 Sep 24     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases42olcott
4 Sep 24      +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24      `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases40Mikko
6 Sep 24       `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases39olcott
7 Sep 24        `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases38Richard Damon
7 Sep 24         +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases35Mikko
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11 Sep 24         ii     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases10Mikko
11 Sep 24         ii      `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases9olcott
12 Sep 24         ii       `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases8Mikko
13 Sep 24         ii        `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases7olcott
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13 Sep 24         ii         `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases5Mikko
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10 Sep 24         i +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
10 Sep 24         i `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases14Mikko
10 Sep 24         i  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases13olcott
11 Sep 24         i   +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases3Richard Damon
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11 Sep 24         i   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases9Mikko
11 Sep 24         i    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases8olcott
12 Sep 24         i     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases7Mikko
13 Sep 24         i      `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases6olcott
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15 Sep11:02         i         `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Mikko
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