Prologers are hurt the most by LLMs (Was: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022 )

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Sujet : Prologers are hurt the most by LLMs (Was: RETRO Project Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022 )
De : janburse (at) *nospam* fastmail.fm (Mild Shock)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 10. Jan 2025, 11:17:05
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Hi,
Prologers with their pipe dream of Ontologies
with Axioms are most hurt by LLMs that work
more on the basis of Fuzzy Logic.
Even good old "hardmath" is not immune to
this coping mechanism:
"I've cast one of my rare votes-to-delete. It is
a self-answer to the OP's off-topic "question".
Rather than improve the original post, the effort
has been made to "promote" some so-called RETRO
Project by linking YouTube and arxiv.org URLs.
Not worth retaining IMHO.
-- hardmath
https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38051/1482376
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
 More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:
 What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs
 So its not a very new technique now appearing in
generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the
 used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.
 Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and
 discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the
 actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
I see is that in certain countries and educational
institutions, it might the case that working with a
 chat bot is something that the students learn,
yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
MSE, because MSE policies are based on outdated
 views about generative AI.
 See also:
 (*) RETRO Project:
 Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426
 Bye
 Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
>
Now you can listen to Bird songs for a minute:
>
2016 Dana Scott gave a talk honoring Raymond Smullyan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz6SbUpFQ8
>
A little quiz:
>
Q: And also on the Curry-Howard Isomorphism. Is
there a nice way to put it in bird-forest form like To
Mock a Mocking Bird. This book made everything so
simple and intuitive for me.
>
A: Hardly, because xx has no simple type.
>
Right?
>
Bye
 

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