Sujet : Re: Why Tarski is wrong
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : sci.logicDate : 18. Mar 2025, 15:34:35
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On 2025-03-17 12:54:53 +0000, olcott said:
On 3/17/2025 3:57 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-17 01:50:24 +0000, olcott said:
On 3/16/2025 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/16/25 11:12 AM, olcott wrote:
On 3/16/2025 7:36 AM, joes wrote:
Am Sat, 15 Mar 2025 20:43:11 -0500 schrieb olcott:
We can define a correct True(X) predicate that always succeeds except
for unknowns and untruths, Tarski WAS WRONG !!!
That does not disprove Tarski.
He said that this is impossible and no
counter-examples exists that shows that I am wrong.
True(GC) == FALSE Cannot be proven true AKA unknown
True(LP) == FALSE Not a truth-bearer
But if x is what you are saying is
A True(X) predicate can be defined and Tarski never
showed that it cannot.
True(X) only returns TRUE when a a sequence of truth
preserving operations can derive X from the set of basic
facts and returns false otherwise.
By this criterion True("There is no truth predicate") is TRUE.
The True(X) predicate only takes formalized Natural Language so that
would be rejected as false.
No, if we interprete "There is no truth predicate" to represent the
formalized natural language expression that means that there is no
turth predicate.
LP := ~True(LP) would also be rejected
as ~TRUE. The Principle of explosion does not apply truth preserving
operations.
The expression LP := ~True(LP) should be rejected as a syntax error.
-- Mikko
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
17 Mar 25 | Why Tarski is wrong | 54 | | olcott |
17 Mar 25 |  Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 40 | | Richard Damon |
17 Mar 25 |   Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 39 | | olcott |
18 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
18 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
18 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 36 | | olcott |
18 Mar 25 |     Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 6 | | Mikko |
19 Mar 25 |      Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 5 | | olcott |
19 Mar 25 |       Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
19 Mar 25 |       Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 3 | | Mikko |
19 Mar 25 |        Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 2 | | olcott |
20 Mar 25 |         Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
19 Mar 25 |     Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 29 | | Richard Damon |
19 Mar 25 |      Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 28 | | olcott |
20 Mar 25 |       Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 27 | | Richard Damon |
20 Mar 25 |        Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 26 | | olcott |
21 Mar 25 |         Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 25 | | Richard Damon |
21 Mar 25 |          Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 24 | | olcott |
21 Mar 25 |           Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 4 | | Richard Damon |
21 Mar 25 |            Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 3 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |             Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |             Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
21 Mar 25 |           Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 19 | | Richard Damon |
21 Mar 25 |            Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 18 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |             Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 2 | | joes |
22 Mar 25 |              Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |             Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 15 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |              Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 8 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |               Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 3 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |                Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 2 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |                 Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |               Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 4 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |                Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 3 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |                 Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |                 Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Mikko |
22 Mar 25 |              Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 6 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |               Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 4 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |                Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 3 | | olcott |
22 Mar 25 |                 Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
22 Mar 25 |                 Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Mikko |
22 Mar 25 |               Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
17 Mar 25 |  Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 4 | | Richard Damon |
17 Mar 25 |   Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 3 | | olcott |
17 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
17 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
17 Mar 25 |  Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 9 | | Mikko |
17 Mar 25 |   Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 8 | | olcott |
18 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
18 Mar 25 |    Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 6 | | Mikko |
18 Mar 25 |     Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 5 | | olcott |
19 Mar 25 |      Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |
19 Mar 25 |      Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 3 | | Mikko |
20 Mar 25 |       Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 2 | | olcott |
20 Mar 25 |        Re: Why Tarski is wrong | 1 | | Richard Damon |