Re: Simple enough for every reader?

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Sujet : Re: Simple enough for every reader?
De : wolfgang.mueckenheim (at) *nospam* tha.de (WM)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 20. May 2025, 12:17:31
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On 20.05.2025 09:18, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-05-19 18:53:43 +0000, WM said:
 
On 19.05.2025 15:57, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-05-18 12:20:47 +0000, WM said:
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On 18.05.2025 12:30, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-05-17 15:00:33 +0000, WM said:
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Are you aware of the fact that in
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{1}
{1, 2}
{1, 2, 3}
...
{1, 2, 3, ..., n}
...
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up to every n infinitely many natural numbers of the whole set
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{1, 2, 3, ...}
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are missing? Infinitely many of them will never be mentioned individually. They are dark.
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For example, if we pick 5 for n we have
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{1}
{1, 2}
{1, 2, 3}
{1, 2, 3, 4}
{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}
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then 6 and infinitely many other numbers are missing. So numbers
6, and 7 are dark as are ingfinitely many other numbers.
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Maybe for a 3-year old child. Doves can count to 7. Earthworms may
fail at 1 already.
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Many animals can differentiate quantities up to about 7. As far as
we know most of them needn't and can't count. They just see the
difference. Accurate determination of larger quantities may require
counting.
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None of which is relevant to may observation that if n = 5 then your
definition makes 6 dark.
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If you have no idea of 6, it is dark for you. I you arbitrarily stop at 5 although you know 6, 5 is not dark for you.
 I do have an idea on numbers greated than n. But per OP they are dark
anyway.
If you can express them so that a reader can recognize them, then they are not / no longer dark.
Regards, WM

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May16:00 * Simple enough for every reader?29WM
18 May11:30 +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?16Mikko
18 May13:03 i+- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Ross Finlayson
18 May13:20 i`* Re: Simple enough for every reader?14WM
18 May15:36 i +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?5Ross Finlayson
18 May16:12 i i`* Re: Simple enough for every reader?4WM
19 May14:59 i i `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Mikko
19 May19:56 i i  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2WM
20 May08:17 i i   `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Mikko
19 May14:57 i `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?8Mikko
19 May19:53 i  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?7WM
20 May08:18 i   `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?6Mikko
20 May12:17 i    `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?5WM
22 May10:10 i     `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?4Mikko
22 May11:30 i      `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3WM
23 May08:43 i       `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2Mikko
23 May09:31 i        `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
18 May23:41 `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?12Ben Bacarisse
19 May00:12  +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2olcott
19 May19:46  i`- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
19 May19:44  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?9WM
20 May01:50   `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?8Ben Bacarisse
20 May08:22    +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Mikko
20 May12:15    i+- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
21 May01:51    i`- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Ben Bacarisse
20 May12:11    `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?4WM
21 May02:17     `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Ben Bacarisse
21 May12:02      `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2WM
23 May14:21       `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Ben Bacarisse

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