Re: Simple enough for every reader?

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Sujet : Re: Simple enough for every reader?
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : sci.logic
Date : 25. May 2025, 11:42:33
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On 2025-05-24 11:29:53 +0000, WM said:

On 24.05.2025 10:13, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-05-23 08:31:27 +0000, WM said:
 
On 23.05.2025 09:43, Mikko wrote:
Do you mean that every natural number is dark until
someone mentions it but no longer?
 
Every natural number is dark in a system that cannot represent it in any form like writing, thinking or whatever. The pocket calculator is limited to decimal representations below 10^100, the universe is limited to more or less sophisticated formulas requiring less than 10^80 bit.
 In every system almost all natural numbers are and remain dark - if an actual infinity of them exists.
 That is not a useful concept as it is not possible to know wich numbers are
presentable in future sysems and which will be actually presented.
 But it is fact.
But not a mathematical fact.

Further it need not be deteremined exactly what can be presented. It is sufficient, for many purposes, to know that most numbers cannot be presented
For many porposes it sufficient to know that most nubers needn't be
presented.

At the end of the web page https://mlevanto.github.io/lauseke.html there
is an arithmetic expression that evaluates to a 65600 digit number. Although
the value of the expression is not written there I used that digit sequence
(and several others, some even longer) when I wrote the page.
 The numbers that can be used belong to a potentially infinite set. There may be much longer sequences. But most natural numbers remain dark - if ℕ is actually infinite.
The set of natural numbers is actually infinite. There is nothing
potential in mathematics: what is is and that is all that can be.
--
Mikko

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May 25 * Simple enough for every reader?39WM
18 May 25 +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?20Mikko
18 May 25 i+- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Ross Finlayson
18 May 25 i`* Re: Simple enough for every reader?18WM
18 May 25 i +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?5Ross Finlayson
18 May 25 i i`* Re: Simple enough for every reader?4WM
19 May14:59 i i `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Mikko
19 May19:56 i i  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2WM
20 May08:17 i i   `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Mikko
19 May14:57 i `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?12Mikko
19 May19:53 i  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?11WM
20 May08:18 i   `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?10Mikko
20 May12:17 i    `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?9WM
22 May10:10 i     `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?8Mikko
22 May11:30 i      `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?7WM
23 May08:43 i       `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?6Mikko
23 May09:31 i        `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?5WM
24 May09:13 i         `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?4Mikko
24 May12:29 i          `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3WM
25 May11:42 i           `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2Mikko
25 May12:38 i            `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
18 May23:41 `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?18Ben Bacarisse
19 May00:12  +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2olcott
19 May19:46  i`- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
19 May19:44  `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?15WM
20 May01:50   `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?14Ben Bacarisse
20 May08:22    +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Mikko
20 May12:15    i+- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM
21 May01:51    i`- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Ben Bacarisse
20 May12:11    `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?10WM
21 May02:17     `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?9Ben Bacarisse
21 May12:02      `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?8WM
23 May14:21       `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?7Ben Bacarisse
24 May09:18        +* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3Mikko
25 May02:09        i`* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2Ben Bacarisse
25 May11:43        i `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1Mikko
24 May11:50        `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?3WM
25 May02:27         `* Re: Simple enough for every reader?2Ben Bacarisse
25 May09:29          `- Re: Simple enough for every reader?1WM

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