Sujet : Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers"
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.mathDate : 23. Mar 2025, 19:23:38
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On 3/23/2025 1:23 PM, WM wrote:
On 22.03.2025 20:33, Jim Burns wrote:
On 3/22/2025 5:19 AM, WM wrote:
Of course.
The reason is that
all pairs of
the bijection proving same cardinality
have
infinitely many dark successors
which cannot be bijected.
>
A bijection which does not biject everything
is not a bijection,
>
So it is!
But it is impossible to prove everything
in Cantor's bijections.
Cantor's bijections are between sets which
are their.own.only.inductive.subsets
(for certain values of 'inductive').
To prove everything,
it is enough to prove inductivity
(a first element and a closed successor)
because,
for such sets,
there is no other inductive subset.
Almost all elements follow upon every defined pair.
Yes,
that is a property of sets which
are their.own.only.inductive.subsets.
The reason that we know about these pairs
is not
that we come to their end, not in any sense.
The reason that we know about these pairs
is
that we have an indefinite description,
true of each one of infinitely.many pairs,
and
that we can follow with finitely.many claims
which we can _see_ are not.first.false,
with or without understanding what they _say_
⎛ I don't know what Q in ⟨ P P⇒Q Q ⟩ _says_
⎝ I can _see_ Q is not.first.false there.
The reason that we know about these pairs
is that,
if a finite sequence has a false claim,
then it has a first.false claim,
and,
if it doesn't have a first.false claim
(something we _see_ in some sequences),
then it doesn't have a false claim.
We are able to reason about infinitely.many
without performing infinite tasks.
Our ability is the product of long centuries
of intense effort by our best people.
If someone wakes up one morning and announces
"I'm going to repeat that work of centuries today"
and they _fail_ at their project,
they should not conclude, from that,
that all that previous work was in error.
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12 Mar 25 | The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 451 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |  Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 450 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |   Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 449 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |    The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 448 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 444 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 414 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 413 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 412 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 401 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 399 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 397 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 393 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 392 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 5 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" (thread too long, nothing in it) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 383 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 382 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 380 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 379 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 371 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 370 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 362 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 361 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 356 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 355 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 268 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 267 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 266 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 265 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 264 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 263 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 262 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 261 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 260 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 259 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 258 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 257 | | WM |
18 Mar 25 |                                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 256 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 255 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 254 | | Jim Burns |
19 Mar 25 |                                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 253 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 252 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 251 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 250 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 249 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 248 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 247 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 246 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 245 | | WM |
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21 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 40 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 37 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 2 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 1 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 34 | | Alan Mackenzie |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 32 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 29 | | Ralf Bader |
22 Mar 25 |                                                      Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 28 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 2 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Moebius |
23 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 25 | | Ross Finlayson |
23 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 24 | | Jim Burns |
23 Mar 25 |                                                         Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 23 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 19 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                           Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 18 | | Jim Burns |
24 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 11 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 10 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 9 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
26 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 6 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | FromTheRafters |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 2 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 142 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
22 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 58 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 85 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Ben Bacarisse |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 29 | | Jim Burns |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 2 | | FromTheRafters |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 1 | | Jim Burns |