Sujet : Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers"
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.mathDate : 17. Mar 2025, 19:13:15
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Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
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On 3/17/2025 12:11 PM, WM wrote:
On 17.03.2025 05:23, Jim Burns wrote:
Do you (WM) know what 'finite' means?
In mathematics, particularly set theory,
a finite set is a set that has a finite number of elements.
Informally, a finite set is a set which
one could in principle count
and finish counting.
(Wikipedia)
From the same page:
⎛ Any proper subset of a finite set S is finite
⎜ and has fewer elements than S itself.
⎜ ...
⎝ The union of two finite sets is finite,
A set which is finite in Wikipedia's sense
has fuller.by.one sets which are larger and finite
and emptier.by.one sets which are smaller and finite.
The set of all finite.sizes does not have
a finite.size.
⎛ Assume otherwise.
⎜ Assume 𝔊 is the finite.size of
⎜ the set of finite.sizes.
⎜
⎜ 𝔊+1 is also a finite.size.
⎜ The subset of finite.sizes ≤ 𝔊+1
⎜ is larger than 𝔊 and
⎜ is larger than its superset:
⎜ the set of all finite.sizes.
⎜
⎜ However,
⎜ a subset isn't larger than its superset.
⎝ Contradiction.
Therefore,
the set of all finite.sizes does not have
a finite.size.
If
the set of all finite.sizes
has fuller.by.one sets which are larger and finite
and emptier.by.one sets which are smaller and finite,
then
the set of all finite.sizes
has a finite.size in
the set of all finite.sizes.
It doesn't have a finite.size.
Therefore, the set of all finite.sizes
has fuller.by.one sets which are NOT larger
and emptier.by.one sets which are NOT smaller.
No swap exists immediately before all the swaps.
No visibleᵂᴹ and no darkᵂᴹ.
>
Therefore:
If Bob disappears, it happens at a finite index.
The set of all finite.sizes is same.sized as
the set of all finite sizes and Bob.
No single swap changes the size of the set.
No finite set of swaps changes the size of the set.
Also,
no infinite set of swaps changes the size of the set,
although,
(only) in the case of infinite sets,
sufficient swaps can change a set to an emptier set,
but only to an emptier set which is not smaller.
Name it or confess that you have used a foolish idea.
Do you agree with Wikipedia?
Do you agree that
the set of all finite.sizes has
has fuller.by.one sets which are NOT larger
and emptier.by.one sets which are NOT smaller ?
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12 Mar 25 | The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 426 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |  Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 425 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |   Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 424 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |    The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 423 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 419 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 389 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 388 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 387 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 376 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 374 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 372 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 368 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 367 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 5 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" (thread too long, nothing in it) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 358 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 357 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 355 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 354 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 346 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 345 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 337 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 336 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 331 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 330 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 243 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 242 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 241 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 240 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 239 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 238 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 237 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 236 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 235 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 234 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 233 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 232 | | WM |
18 Mar 25 |                                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 231 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 230 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 229 | | Jim Burns |
19 Mar 25 |                                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 228 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 227 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 226 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 225 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 224 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 223 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 222 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 221 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 220 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                                The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 161 | | Alan Mackenzie |
21 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 40 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 37 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 2 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 1 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 34 | | Alan Mackenzie |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 32 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 29 | | Ralf Bader |
22 Mar 25 |                                                      Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 28 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 2 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Moebius |
23 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 25 | | Ross Finlayson |
23 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 24 | | Jim Burns |
23 Mar 25 |                                                         Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 23 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 19 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                           Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 18 | | Jim Burns |
24 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 11 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 10 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 9 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
26 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 6 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | FromTheRafters |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 2 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 120 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
22 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 55 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 85 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Ben Bacarisse |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 29 | | Jim Burns |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 2 | | FromTheRafters |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 1 | | Jim Burns |