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Le 08/05/2024 à 23:55, Jim Burns a écrit :Huh? ℕ is the natural numbers, all of them. What do you mean by ℕ _also_ contains the naturals? ℕ cannot represent say, 1.12542 because its a real number... What is wrong with you!On 5/8/2024 3:55 PM, WM wrote:Yes. But every n ∈ ℕ_def has ℵ₀ successors which never vanish by counting. They can be removed only collectively such that nothing of ℕ remains.Le 07/05/2024 à 00:11, Jim Burns a écrit :>>All which canNOT be counted.to are not.in ℕ>
All which canNOT be counted.to are not.in ℕ_def.
And all which CAN be counted.to are in ℕ_def.>Because almost everyone has not yet realized, that ℕ contains also the natural numbers which cannot be counted to and which do not leave ℵ₀ successors after being removed from ℝ.
ℕ_def is the set of all and only
numbers which CAN be counted.to.
ℕ_def is what everyone else calls ℕ
>ℕ_def is a potentially infinite collection and as such has no fxed number of elements. We use the indefinite oo in this case.
|ℕ_def| = ℵ₀
Regards, WM
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