Sujet : Re: group theory question
De : news.dead.person.stones (at) *nospam* darjeeling.plus.com (Mike Terry)
Groupes : sci.mathDate : 30. Sep 2024, 02:29:00
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On 29/09/2024 23:02, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
On 28/09/2024 04:48, Mike Terry wrote:
On 28/09/2024 01:53, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
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I shall beat myself up immediately.
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Is the set e^2^n mod p (where e is a generator and element of the multiplicative group mod p, p is prime and n=0 to p) equal to the set of quadratic residues of the group?
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No - you could just try out a couple of low p examples to see it doesn't work. E.g. p=7.
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generators: 3 and 5
qres: 1,2,4
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e: 3 5
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e^(2^0) 3 5
e^(2^1) 2 4
e^(2^2) 4 2
e^(2^3) 2 4
e^(2^4) 4 2
...
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both are missing qr: 1
Ok, thanks for the help - I should have asked:
Is the set S = g^(2^n) mod p (where g is any generator / element of the multiplicative group mod p, p is prime and n=1 to p) plus the element 1 equal to the set QR of quadratic residues of the aforementioned group?
(Note we can calculate g^(2^n) = g^(2*2^(n-1)) = g^(2^(n-1))^2 iteratively by squaring, taking mod p after each iteration.
Yes, so we would never get a non-QR in S.
correct (given you're not considering n=0)
But do we get all the QRs?
I'm not sure what your question is. It sounds like you're asking whether for all [odd?] p and all choice of generators g, the set S(p,g) U {1} = QR(p) ? I.e. do the conditions you describe imply the conclusion that S(p) U {1} = {quadratic residues mod p}?
If so, what small p have you tried so far, and what was the result?
A proof?
Well if the conjecture fails, a counter-example suffices. But like I said, I'm not sure what you're asking. It should be apparent from tests that some (p,g) values work and some do not.
Mike.