Re: group theory question

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Sujet : Re: group theory question
De : news.dead.person.stones (at) *nospam* darjeeling.plus.com (Mike Terry)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 30. Sep 2024, 02:29:00
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On 29/09/2024 23:02, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
On 28/09/2024 04:48, Mike Terry wrote:
On 28/09/2024 01:53, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
 
Note: most posters here don't go for top-posting, preferring responses intermixed with the original quoted text.  Just saying, because some people will get cross with top posters!
 I shall beat myself up immediately.
 [...]
 
Is the set e^2^n mod p (where e is a generator and element of the multiplicative group mod p, p is prime and n=0 to p) equal to the set of quadratic residues of the group?
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No - you could just try out a couple of low p examples to see it doesn't work.  E.g. p=7.
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generators:     3 and 5
qres:           1,2,4
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e:              3       5
               ---     ---
e^(2^0)         3       5
e^(2^1)         2       4
e^(2^2)         4       2
e^(2^3)         2       4
e^(2^4)         4       2
...
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both are missing qr: 1
 Ok, thanks for the help - I should have asked:
 Is the set S = g^(2^n) mod p (where g is any generator / element of the multiplicative group mod p, p is prime and n=1 to p) plus the element 1 equal to the set QR of quadratic residues of the aforementioned group?
 
(Note we can calculate g^(2^n) = g^(2*2^(n-1)) = g^(2^(n-1))^2 iteratively by squaring, taking mod p after each iteration.
 Yes, so we would never get a non-QR in S.
correct (given you're not considering n=0)

But do we get all the QRs?
I'm not sure what your question is. It sounds like you're asking whether for all [odd?] p and all choice of generators g, the set S(p,g) U {1} = QR(p) ?  I.e. do the conditions you describe imply the conclusion that S(p) U {1} = {quadratic residues mod p}?
If so, what small p have you tried so far, and what was the result?

 A proof?
Well if the conjecture fails, a counter-example suffices.  But like I said, I'm not sure what you're asking.  It should be apparent from tests that some (p,g) values work and some do not.
Mike.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
28 Sep 24 * group theory question10Peter Fairbrother
28 Sep 24 `* Re: group theory question9Peter Fairbrother
28 Sep 24  +- Re: group theory question1Ross Finlayson
28 Sep 24  `* Re: group theory question7Mike Terry
29 Sep 24   `* Re: group theory question6Peter Fairbrother
30 Sep 24    `* Re: group theory question5Mike Terry
9 Oct 24     `* Re: group theory question4Phil Carmody
10 Oct 24      `* Re: group theory question3Mike Terry
10 Oct 24       `* Re: group theory question2Phil Carmody
1 Nov 24        `- Re: group theory question1Peter Fairbrother

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