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On 14.10.2024 17:53, joes wrote:But that isn't actually a general rule, so you are just admitting that you aren't talking about the same Natural Numbers that everyone else is talking about, but some bastadization that is just fininte.Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:34:59 +0200 schrieb WM:There is a general rule not open to further discussion:On 14.10.2024 14:00, joes wrote:It does not. Changing the elements does not change their number.Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 12:35:56 +0200 schrieb WM:>They cannot be there because doubling all elements of a set of naturalsFalse. n*2 > n for all numbers, even for infinite numbers.Of course, and if the infinity is actual, they must already be in
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doubles the space covered on the number line.
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When doubling natural numbers we obtain natural numbers which have not been doubled.
In potential infinity we obtain more even natural numbers than have been doubled.
In actual infinity we double ℕ and obtain neither ℕ or a subset of ℕ.
Regards, WM
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