Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)

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Sujet : Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)
De : chris.m.thomasson.1 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Chris M. Thomasson)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 17. Dec 2024, 05:32:32
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On 12/16/2024 3:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 12/16/24 3:30 AM, WM wrote:
On 15.12.2024 21:21, joes wrote:
Am Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:25:55 +0100 schrieb WM:
On 15.12.2024 12:15, joes wrote:
Am Sat, 14 Dec 2024 17:00:43 +0100 schrieb WM:
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That pairs the elements of D with the elements of ℕ. Alas, it can
be proved that for every interval [1, n] the deficit of hats
amounts to at least 90 %. And beyond all n, there are no further
hats.
But we aren't dealing with intervals of [1, n] but of the full set.
Those who try to forbid the detailed analysis are dishonest
swindlers and tricksters and not worth to participate in scientific
discussion.
No, we are not forbiding "detailed" analysis
Then deal with all infinitely many intervals [1, n].
??? The bijection is not finite.
Therefore we use all [1, n].
Those are all finite.
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All n are finite.
 But N isn't, so the sets [1, n] aren't what the bijection is defined on.
 
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The problem is that you can't GET to "beyond all n" in the pairing,
as there are always more n to get to.
If this is impossible, then also Cantor cannot use all n.
Why can't he? The problem is in the space of the full set, not the
finite sub sets.
The intervals [1, n] cover the full set.
Only in the limit.
With and without limit.
Wonrg. There is no natural n that „covers N”.
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All intervals do it because there is no n outside of all intervals [1, n]. My proof applies all intervals.
 And all the intervals are finite, and thus not the INFINITE set N, which is where the bijection occurs.
 Thus your "proof" is just a LIE.
Seems to be so. Unless I am missing something, WM seems to suggest that Cantor Pairing does not work with all natural numbers. 0 aside for a moment. Even though it works with 0 as well, anyway... WM has a personal issue here? For him to overcome? Can he see the "light" so to speak?

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15 Dec 24 * Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)44joes
15 Dec16:25 `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)43WM
15 Dec21:21  `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)42joes
16 Dec09:30   `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)41WM
16 Dec12:55    +* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)13joes
16 Dec14:59    i`* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)12WM
16 Dec16:40    i `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)11joes
16 Dec17:49    i  `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)10WM
16 Dec18:25    i   `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)9joes
17 Dec10:05    i    `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)8WM
17 Dec13:34    i     `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)7Richard Damon
17 Dec22:49    i      `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)6WM
18 Dec10:35    i       +* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)4joes
18 Dec20:07    i       i`* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)3WM
18 Dec21:15    i       i `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)2joes
19 Dec15:36    i       i  `- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1WM
18 Dec13:23    i       `- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1Richard Damon
17 Dec00:52    `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)27Richard Damon
17 Dec05:32     +- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1Chris M. Thomasson
17 Dec10:13     `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)25WM
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17 Dec11:37      i`* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)2WM
17 Dec18:04      i `- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1joes
17 Dec13:34      +* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)3Richard Damon
17 Dec22:51      i`* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)2WM
18 Dec13:25      i `- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1Richard Damon
17 Dec18:07      `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)18joes
17 Dec22:57       `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)17WM
18 Dec13:29        `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)16Richard Damon
18 Dec20:06         `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)15WM
18 Dec21:15          +* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)2joes
19 Dec15:38          i`- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1WM
19 Dec04:29          `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)12Richard Damon
19 Dec15:58           `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)11WM
19 Dec22:25            +- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1Chris M. Thomasson
20 Dec03:52            `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)9Richard Damon
20 Dec11:13             `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)8WM
20 Dec12:55              `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)7Chris M. Thomasson
20 Dec15:38               `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)6WM
20 Dec21:18                `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)5Chris M. Thomasson
21 Dec04:37                 `* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)4Richard Damon
21 Dec10:23                  +* Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)2Chris M. Thomasson
21 Dec10:36                  i`- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1Moebius
21 Dec18:46                  `- Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)1WM

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