Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)

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Sujet : Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 15. Jan 2025, 16:16:14
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On 1/14/2025 4:07 AM, WM wrote:
On 13.01.2025 20:31, Jim Burns wrote:
On 1/13/2025 12:17 PM, WM wrote:

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>
A step is never from finite to infinite.
Therefore, a step never crosses ω
Therefore, a sum never crosses ω
Therefore, a product never crosses ω
Therefore, a power never crosses ω
>
All that is true in potential infinity,
however it is wrong in completed infinity.
Your infinity.completingᵂᴹ darkᵂᴹ numbers 𝔻
have negative cardinality.
|𝔻| = #𝔻 = -∞
Consider the finiteˢᵉᵗ sets.
⎛ A non.empty finiteˢᵉᵗ linearly.ordered is
⎜ two.ended and each of its non.empty subsets is
⎜ two.ended.

⎜ Sets emptier.by.one and sets fuller.by.one
⎜ than a finiteˢᵉᵗ are sized differently from it.
⎜ They are finitesˢᵉᵗ themselves.

⎜ For each finiteˢᵉᵗ set, there exists
⎝ a larger finiteᵒʳᵈ ordinal.
⎛ A set larger.than each finiteˢᵉᵗ
⎜ is not itself any of the finitesˢᵉᵗ.

⎜ Claims which are true of a finiteˢᵉᵗ
⎜ because it's finiteˢᵉᵗ
⎜ are false of a not.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ set.

⎜ For example,
⎜ sets emptier.by.one and sets fuller.by.one
⎜ than a not.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ
⎜ are NOT sized differently from it.

⎜ A not.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ is an infiniteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ As you (WM) explain,
⎝ it is a potentiallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ.
⎛ ℕ is the least.upper.bound of finitesᵒʳᵈ.

⎜ For each finiteˢᵉᵗ,
⎜ a larger finiteᵒʳᵈ exists,
⎜ and the larger LUB ℕ exists, too.

⎜ ℕ is not.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ ℕ is infiniteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ As you (WM) explain,
⎝ ℕ is potentiallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ.
⎛ An actuallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ 𝔸 is
⎜ a potentiallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ ℙ which has been
⎜ completedᵂᴹ by an appropriate darkᵂᴹ 𝔻
⎜ such that 𝔸 isn't potentiallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ.

⎜ Potentialᵂᴹ ℙ is larger.than.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ Actualᵂᴹ 𝔸 is not larger.than.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ.
⎝ 𝔸 = ℙ∪𝔻
⎛ Potentialᵂᴹ ℙ is larger.than.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ Actualᵂᴹ 𝔸 is not larger.than.any.finiteˢᵉᵗ.
⎜ 𝔸 = ℙ∪𝔻,  #(ℙ∩𝔻) = 0

⎜ There is a finiteˢᵉᵗ F: #𝔸 ≤ #F
⎜ ℙ is larger than finiteˢᵉᵗ F

⎜ #𝔸 ≤ #F < #ℙ

⎜ #𝔸 = #ℙ + #𝔻 - #(ℙ∩𝔻)

⎝ #ℙ + #𝔻 < #P
𝔻 has negative cardinality.
----
therefore creates even numbers.
They do not fit below ω.
>
No.
They fit below ω
>
In completed infinity
all available places are occupied.
In each of our sets,
each element has an available space, and
only its elements have available spaces.
A place in a set is occupied by virtue of
its element being in the set.
In each of our sets,
each of its elements is in the set,
each available place is occupied.
A potentiallyᵂᴹ infiniteˢᵉᵗ set,
the same as any other set,
has all available places occupied
and is completeᵂᴹ.

Half are new.
A step is never from finite to infinite.
Therefore, a step never crosses ω
Therefore, a sum never crosses ω
Therefore, a product never crosses ω
Therefore, a power never crosses ω

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