Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)

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Sujet : Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary)
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 24. Jan 2025, 13:29:43
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On 1/19/25 5:47 AM, WM wrote:
On 18.01.2025 14:46, Richard Damon wrote:
On 1/17/25 4:56 PM, WM wrote:
 
That "definition" violates to definition that set don't change.
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So it is. But if infinity is potential, then we cannot change this in order to keep set theory, but then set theory is wrong.
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So, you are just agreeing that your logic is based on contradictory premsises and thus is itself contradictory and worthless.
 No, set theory claims actual infinity but in fact useses potential infinity with its "bijections". They contain only natnumbers which have ℵ₀ successors. If all natural numbers were applied, there would not be successors:
ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = { }.
 Regards, WM
No, set theory claims that the set is infinite. Note, your problem is you are trying to use a non-set compatible distinction between actual and potential infinity, which blows up your logic.
You confuse the individual numbers with the set they belong to, and apparently are too stupid to understand your error.
The bijection uses an infinite set of numbers, and while each member of that set has an infinite number of successors, there are no numbers that are above the contents of the whole set. A property of the infinite, which your Naive Logic can't handle.n

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