Re: math, is it just physics? (just mathematics)

On 01/28/2025 04:10 PM, sobriquet wrote:

Op 28/01/2025 om 23:46 schreef FromTheRafters:

sobriquet wrote :

We often hear claims that math has nothing to do with reality and is
just something that exists in our imagination or some platonic realm
of idealized forms.
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For instance in the intro to this recent yt contribution:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuDSTamzrE
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On the other hand there seems to be mounting evidence that the
patterns in physics match up in intriguing ways with abstractions on
a conceptual level.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OxVsVUesSc
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So in a way one could claim that concepts like integers and their
properties and relationships can be more or less empirically observed
in the behavior and properties of things like elementary particles
such as electrons or fields.

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There's also this:
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https://math.dartmouth.edu/~matc/MathDrama/reading/Wigner.html

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I often say that a strong mathematical platonism arrives at
numbers are quite concrete and that there's a theory with
both a strong mathematical platonism, AND, a strong logicist
positivism, quite all scientific with an ontology for the
empiricist mind, yet still fundamentally founded by a continuous
thread of a theory of logical and mathematical truth.
Consider something like Derrida on Husserl's pre-geometric
and pre-scientific world, with regards to why these quite
logicist-positivist minded thinkers have it very strongly
so that mathematics is always present, then also as with
regards to "the ubiquitous success of mathematics in physics".
Then, the mathematical universe hypothesis of a sort,
also has that physics is just mathematics.