Sujet : Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers"
De : FTR (at) *nospam* nomail.afraid.org (FromTheRafters)
Groupes : sci.mathDate : 14. Mar 2025, 17:09:07
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After serious thinking WM wrote :
On 14.03.2025 14:11, FromTheRafters wrote:
WM wrote on 3/14/2025 :
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Natural numbers can be "represented in a mind", in fact in any
mathematician's mind.
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Not those which make the set ℕ empty by subtracting them
∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
like the dark numbers can do
ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = { }.
The set of natural numbers is never empty. What happens is that you decide which of its elements complies with the definition of elements of the new set, and remove the rest from consideration.
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The new set defined by individual elements cannot be equal to ℕ.
Why not? The set which is the improper subset is a set too. Not some ongoing endless unfinished process. Make two proper subsets E and O from the elements of N, make a new set R (for result) by taking the union of E and O. The result of the union operator is a set. How would R be any different than N?
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12 Mar 25 | The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 451 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |  Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 450 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |   Re: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series | 449 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |    The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 448 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 444 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 414 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 413 | | WM |
12 Mar 25 |        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 412 | | Alan Mackenzie |
12 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Moebius |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 401 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 399 | | Alan Mackenzie |
13 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 397 | | WM |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 393 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 392 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 6 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 5 | | FromTheRafters |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" (thread too long, nothing in it) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 383 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 382 | | WM |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 380 | | Alan Mackenzie |
14 Mar 25 |                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 379 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 371 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 370 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 2 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | WM |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 362 | | Alan Mackenzie |
15 Mar 25 |                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 361 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 356 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 355 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 268 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 267 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 266 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 265 | | WM |
16 Mar 25 |                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 264 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 263 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 262 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 261 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 260 | | Jim Burns |
17 Mar 25 |                                 Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 259 | | WM |
17 Mar 25 |                                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 258 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                   Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 257 | | WM |
18 Mar 25 |                                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 256 | | Jim Burns |
18 Mar 25 |                                     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 255 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 254 | | Jim Burns |
19 Mar 25 |                                       Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 253 | | WM |
19 Mar 25 |                                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 252 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 251 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 250 | | Jim Burns |
20 Mar 25 |                                           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 249 | | WM |
20 Mar 25 |                                            Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 248 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                             Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 247 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 246 | | Jim Burns |
21 Mar 25 |                                               Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 245 | | WM |
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21 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 40 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 37 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 2 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 1 | | Moebius |
21 Mar 25 |                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 34 | | Alan Mackenzie |
21 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 32 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 29 | | Ralf Bader |
22 Mar 25 |                                                      Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 28 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 2 | | Moebius |
22 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | Moebius |
23 Mar 25 |                                                       Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 25 | | Ross Finlayson |
23 Mar 25 |                                                        Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 24 | | Jim Burns |
23 Mar 25 |                                                         Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 23 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 19 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                           Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 18 | | Jim Burns |
24 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 11 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 10 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 9 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                  Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
25 Mar 25 |                                                                   Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
26 Mar 25 |                                                            Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 6 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                             Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 5 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                              Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 4 | | FromTheRafters |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Jim Burns |
27 Mar 25 |                                                               Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 2 | | Ross Finlayson |
27 Mar 25 |                                                                Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 1 | | Ross Finlayson |
24 Mar 25 |                                                          Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 (theory of theories) | 3 | | Jim Burns |
22 Mar 25 |                                                     Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
22 Mar 25 |                                                    Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 | 1 | | WM |
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22 Mar 25 |                                                 Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] | 142 | | WM |
21 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | FromTheRafters |
22 Mar 25 |                                                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 58 | | Jim Burns |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 85 | | Alan Mackenzie |
16 Mar 25 |                        Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
16 Mar 25 |                      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | joes |
15 Mar 25 |                    Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 3 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
15 Mar 25 |                  Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 7 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |                Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |              Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
14 Mar 25 |           Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | Chris M. Thomasson |
13 Mar 25 |          Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 1 | | joes |
13 Mar 25 |         Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" | 4 | | Ben Bacarisse |
12 Mar 25 |      Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 29 | | Jim Burns |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 2 | | FromTheRafters |
12 Mar 25 |     Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" [was: The existence of dark numbers proven by the thinned out harmonic series] | 1 | | Jim Burns |