Re: Collatz conjecture question

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Sujet : Re: Collatz conjecture question
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 24. Mar 2025, 18:32:23
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On 3/24/2025 12:09 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 03/24/2025 08:59 AM, Jim Burns wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

⎜ Affirming the consequent

⎜ In propositional logic, affirming the consequent
⎜ (also known as converse error, fallacy of the converse,
⎜ or confusion of necessity and sufficiency)
⎜ is a formal fallacy (or an invalid form of argument)
⎜ that is committed when,
⎜ in the context of an indicative conditional statement,
⎜ it is stated that because the consequent is true,
⎝ therefore the antecedent is true.
>
Doesn't that round-file material implication?
No.
Consider P Q P⇒Q
All possible circumstances:
 P Q P⇒Q
 T T  T
 f T  T
 T f  f
 f f  T
----
Material implication:
 P, P⇒Q true
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
  Q inferred
All still.possible circumstances:
 P Q P⇒Q
 T T  T
 ̷f ̷T  ̷T
 ̷T ̷f  ̷f
 ̷f ̷f  ̷T
Q can only be true.
Infer Q.
----
Affirming the Consequent
 P⇒Q, Q true
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
  P inferred
All still.possible circumstances:
 P Q P⇒Q
 T T  T
 f T  T
 ̷T ̷f  ̷f
 ̷f ̷f  ̷T
P might be true and might be false.
Don't infer P.

Or, you just pick when it's so?
The defining goal of
this entire project called "logic"
is to not.pick.
So, no.
But really, really, really "no".

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23 Mar 25  `* Re: Collatz conjecture question35vallor
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23 Mar 25   `* Re: Collatz conjecture question32Ross Finlayson
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24 Mar 25    i`- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25    `* Re: Collatz conjecture question29efji
24 Mar 25     `* Re: Collatz conjecture question28Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25      `* Re: Collatz conjecture question27efji
24 Mar 25       +* Re: Collatz conjecture question23Richard Hachel
24 Mar 25       i+* Re: Collatz conjecture question13Python
24 Mar 25       ii+* Re: Collatz conjecture question2Moebius
24 Mar 25       iii`- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25       ii+* Re: Collatz conjecture question6Richard Hachel
24 Mar 25       iii+- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Jim Burns
24 Mar 25       iii+* Re: Collatz conjecture question2Python
24 Mar 25       iiii`- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Moebius
24 Mar 25       iii+- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25       iii`- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25       ii`* Re: Collatz conjecture question4Moebius
24 Mar 25       ii `* Re: Collatz conjecture question3Moebius
25 Mar 25       ii  `* Re: Collatz conjecture question2Ross Finlayson
25 Mar 25       ii   `- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25       i+* Re: Collatz conjecture question5efji
24 Mar 25       ii`* Re: Collatz conjecture question4Richard Hachel
24 Mar 25       ii `* Re: Collatz conjecture question3Python
24 Mar 25       ii  `* Re: Collatz conjecture question2Moebius
24 Mar 25       ii   `- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Mar 25       i`* Re: Collatz conjecture question4Jim Burns
24 Mar 25       i `* Re: Collatz conjecture question3Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25       i  +- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25       i  `- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Jim Burns
24 Mar 25       `* Re: Collatz conjecture question3Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25        +- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Ross Finlayson
24 Mar 25        `- Re: Collatz conjecture question1Chris M. Thomasson

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