Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"]

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Sujet : Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"]
De : wolfgang.mueckenheim (at) *nospam* tha.de (WM)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 02. Apr 2025, 15:31:33
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On 28.03.2025 11:39, joes wrote:
Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 08:34:15 +0100 schrieb WM:
Am 28.03.2025 um 02:02 schrieb Moebius:
Am 27.03.2025 um 21:11 schrieb WM:
Am 26.03.2025 um 23:18 schrieb Moebius:
Am 26.03.2025 um 22:38 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> wrote:
>
The number of [...] rooms in Hilbert's hotel is infinite but [...]
grow[s].
No, it doesn't.
And the number of guests?
Is still the same: aleph_0.
It's just the "reality" (->Cantor) of guests that has grown by one. :-)
Set theory cannot describe reality. :-(
Mathematics is expected to be able to describe reality. :-)
 Now you're just confusing the technical and colloquial meaning. You
should have stuck with "substance", but then you could simply talk
about supersets. That's what Cantor referred to off-handedly as
"Realität". No such term is used in mathematics, and still it does
describe the world remarkably well
It does not describe anything of reality.

- not that infinite sets
physically exist.
If they did, the mistakes of set theory would show up when set theory was applied to them.
Regards, WM

 

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