Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX,

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Sujet : Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX,
De : volney (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Volney)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 17. Sep 2024, 06:34:16
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On 9/11/2024 7:54 PM, rhertz wrote:
I want to tell a story of two adventurous "scientists" that, allegedly,
proved SR and GR by using borrowed cesium atomic clocks, which they
carried along with them while traveling around the globe TWICE, using
commercial flights.
 You can read the original publication here (1971):
http://www.personal.psu.edu/rq9/HOW/Atomic_Clocks_Predictions.pdf
 
Once again, Richard shows the typical crank idea that a "breakthrough" paper is the one and only proof of something. The truth is that breakthrough papers are often on the bleeding edge of some technology, and the possible errors from new technology can reduce confidence in the whole thing. However, time and science marches on from 1971, and the combined effects of SR and GR have been proven repeatedly. The most obvious example is the GPS satellite system, which simply wouldn't work if combined SR/GR corrections weren't applied. In other words, H-K is an old experiment, we have much better data now, move on.
The most blatant example of a "breakthrough" experiment with poor resolution that cranks obsess over is the 1919 eclipse experiment. More than 100 years old! There have been many eclipses since then with many better repetitions, and since we've had satellites above the atmosphere, eclipses aren't even necessary. A satellite just needs to block the disk of the sun when observing the sky, and even that's not needed. The effects of light deflection by the sun's gravity can be measured at 90 degrees from the sun (light at 1 AU on closest approach, so very small deflection) and this was routinely done by exoplanet hunting missions like Kepler.
p.s. 1911, Richard? How about Einstein's later papers where many things were corrected?

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