Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms

Liste des GroupesRevenir à sp relativity 
Sujet : Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms
De : relativity (at) *nospam* paulba.no (Paul.B.Andersen)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 05. Feb 2025, 13:29:56
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <vnvleh$2ckno$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
Den 04.02.2025 22:54, skrev rhertz:
The correct result, applying Taylor, is
 v/(c² – v²) ∂τ/∂t = 0
 This equation is QUITE DIFFERENT from the one published by Einstein:
 ∂τ/∂x′ + v/(c² – v²) ∂τ/∂t = 0
  Now, considering that he started with Galilean transform x' = x-vt, the
final
result
 v/(c² – v²) ∂τ/∂t = 0
 is actually
  ∂τ/∂t = 0
 This result proves fully the use of Galilean transforms:
 x' = x-vt
τ = t
 which he TRIED TO FORCEFULLY MODIFY to obtain Lorentz transforms.
  He shot on his foot with the scam of x' infinitesimally small being
equal to x'=0.
  But legion of relativists dismissed this FRAUD because, after all, the
Lorentz transforms were obtained by Lorentz and modified by Poincaré to
its current form.
 As this FAILURE invalidates only Point 3, the rest of the paper holds
still. However, what really is from Point 4 onwards is A BLATANT
PLAGIARISM of Lorentz and Poincaré (1904-1905).
I have told you before, but you are incapable of learning.
But I will repeat in anyway:
You have not understood anything of Einstein's text, which is
very obvious from your ridiculous claim that §3 is a plagiarism
of Lorentz. You can't even have read §3 properly, you have only
scrutinised the text to find "x' = x − vt", and when you found
it, you got an orgasm, shouting:
"EINSTEIN USED GALILEAN TRANSFORM TO DERIVE LORENTZ WITHOUT ETHER!!"
But you are yet again making a fool of yourself, and yet again
you are demonstrating that you are unable to read a text and
understand what you read.
I could leave it at that, but since you are such a nice person,
I will explain.
See:
https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf
Read §3
  Theory of the Transformation of Co-ordinates and
  Times from a Stationary System to another System in
  Uniform Motion of Translation Relatively to the Former
On the first page (page 5) Einstein defines the coordinate systems.
The "stationary system"  K(t,x,y,z) coordinates are Latin letters
The "moving system"      k(τ,ξ,η,ζ) coordinates are Greek letters
So the Galilean transform is: ξ = x - vt
You will _not_ find this anywhere in Einstein's paper.
The x' is a point in the stationary system K, it is NOT
a coordinate in the moving system k.
So x' = x - vt is a _moving_ point in K.
And since x' is moving with the speed v, it will be stationary
relative to k.
And as you quoted above:
" We first define τ as a function of x', y, z, and t", τ(t,x',y,z)
This is the first step in finding the functions:
τ(t,x,y,z) = β(t - (v/c²)x)
ξ(t,x,y,z) = β(x - vt)
η(t,x,y,z) = y
ζ(t,x,y,z) = z
Read the math in §3!
There is no resemblance to anything you find in Lorentz's paper.
Lorentz didn't even write the Lorentz transform in that paper!
He only used the Galilean transform first, and then the
"change of variable" transform. These two transforms together
is the Lorentz transform.
See:
https://paulba.no/div/LTorigin.pdf
"For a reader who is not very skilled in mathematics,
  it may not be obvious that the Lorentz transformation
  is defined in that paper."
Richard Hertz is obviously in this category, because he thought
the "change of variables" transform was the Lorentz transform.
" 1904 ORIGINAL LORENTZ TRANSFORMS
   x' = β x  ;  Lorentz Eq. 4
   t' = t/β - β vx/c² ;  Lorentz Eq. 5
"
-----------
Remember that x', like any symbol, may have different meaning
in different texts. 😂
You have a lot in common with Dilbert:
https://paulba.no/pdf/Dilbert.pdf
--
Paul
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Feb 25 * Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms44rhertz
4 Feb 25 +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms18rhertz
5 Feb 25 i+* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2rhertz
5 Feb 25 ii`- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
5 Feb 25 i+- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Thomas Heger
5 Feb 25 i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms14Paul.B.Andersen
5 Feb 25 i +- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Richard Hachel
5 Feb 25 i +- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Maciej Wozniak
5 Feb 25 i +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms10rhertz
6 Feb 25 i i+* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2Thomas Heger
6 Feb 25 i ii`- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
6 Feb 25 i i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms7Paul.B.Andersen
6 Feb 25 i i +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms4rhertz
12 Feb 25 i i i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms3Paul.B.Andersen
12 Feb 25 i i i `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2rhertz
19 Feb 25 i i i  `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1LaurenceClarkCrossen
7 Feb 25 i i `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2Thomas Heger
7 Feb 25 i i  `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
6 Feb 25 i `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Thomas Heger
5 Feb 25 +- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
6 Feb 25 +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms17rhertz
6 Feb 25 i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms16Paul.B.Andersen
6 Feb 25 i `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms15rhertz
7 Feb 25 i  `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms14Paul.B.Andersen
7 Feb 25 i   +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms8rhertz
8 Feb 25 i   i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms7Paul.B.Andersen
8 Feb 25 i   i `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms6rhertz
9 Feb 25 i   i  +- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Richard Hachel
9 Feb 25 i   i  +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2Paul.B.Andersen
10 Feb 25 i   i  i`- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
10 Feb 25 i   i  `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2Thomas Heger
10 Feb 25 i   i   `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
7 Feb 25 i   +- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Maciej Wozniak
7 Feb 25 i   +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms3Richard Hachel
8 Feb 25 i   i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2rhertz
9 Feb 25 i   i `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Thomas Heger
8 Feb 25 i   `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1J. J. Lodder
8 Feb 25 +* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms3rhertz
8 Feb 25 i`* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2Python
9 Feb 25 i `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1rhertz
18 Feb 25 `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms4JanPB
19 Feb 25  `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms3Maciej Wozniak
20 Feb 25   `* Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms2JanPB
21 Feb 25    `- Re: Einstein cheated with his fraudulent derivation of Lorentz transforms1Maciej Wozniak

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal