Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage

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Sujet : Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 26. Aug 2024, 11:42:00
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Le 26/08/2024 à 08:05, Thomas Heger a écrit :
 You always say, that Einstein did take delay into accout, but failed to show me, where he did this.
 Some equations and staements can be interpreted, that he considered delay. But there are no equations or staments, that he would like to add that delay to a received timing signal by someone on the far side.
 This is actually the critical point, because Einstein's paper reads, as if he didn't want to do this and used uncorrected timing values.
 If you found hints, which suggest something else, you should quote the particular statement or equation here.
 What you have done sofar was to quote an equation, which would enable to calculate the delay. But we need an equation, where this value was actually used.
 btw: the usual cosmology is also based on this error, too, because cosmology deals with stars, which can be seen (usually in a telescope).
 But what we see belongs to the past, hence does not belong to what is called 'hyperplane of the present'.
 And you would not want to synchronize your clocks with events in the past.
 E.g. if you see a signal from Alpha Centaury, you would need to add roughly three years to the received time from the timing signal.
 Without such compensation you would regard as related, what belongs to different times in the past.
C'est cette idée que je critique.
La notion d'hyperplan de temps absolu, de présent absolu, d'instant absolu est une notion qui est infuse à l'esprit humain. Mais c'est une notion abtraite, fausse, imaginaire.
L'univers n'est pas fait "comme ça".
L'hyperplan de temps présent, de simultanéité, dépend de la position de chaque observateur, dans chaque référentiel. Ce n'est pas une notion absolue.
Il va donc falloir des correctifs pour synchroniser les choses.
Cela va devenir pire si, de plus, un corps M voyage entre A et B statiques. Le corps A dans son hyperplan parfait, observe l'hyperplan de temps présent de B comme déformé en hypercône de temps présent. Et réciproquement.
Le corps M va donc évoluer en quittant de plus en plus l'hyperplan temporel de A pour rejoindre l'hyperplan temporel de B. C'est simple à comprendre.
Son temps va évoluer en prenant de plus en plus la notion de B et de moins en moins la notion de A, c'est à dire que progressivement devenir à la fois t'=(t-x/c) et t"=(t+ x/c). Les deux effets ne s'annulent pas, mais se multiplient. On va donc obstenir un nouveau temps t°²=t'²-t"² soit t°²=(t-x/c)(t+x). /c) avec x/c=vt/c et donc t°²=t²-t²(v²/c²) soit t°=t.sqrt(1-v²/c²) Pour le corps mobile apparaît cette fois un nouvel effet physique , une dilatation de sa chronotropie interne (effet réciproque) en PLUS du décalage horaire (anisochronie).
Bref, il ne faut pas croire à l'idée de plan GENERAL, UNIVERSEL du temps présent (ou d'hyperplan 3D du temps présent).
La façon dont j'appréhende le temps présent est purement locale, et purement individuelle.
De plus, si je suis mobile par rapport à quelques choses va encore s'ajouter un problème, les montres qui déjà se désynchronisent pas changement de position, se désynchronisent encore plus dans le sens où même leur chronotropie INTERNE va se dérégler, ne battant même plus à la même vitesse.
R.H.
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