Sujet : Re: A short proof of the inconsistency of The Shit
De : hitlong (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (gharnagel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativityDate : 03. Sep 2024, 15:11:10
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:23:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
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W dniu 02.09.2024 o 15:16, gharnagel pisze:
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 4:50:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
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Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
the clocks of GPS are still real
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I never said they weren't.
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Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.
Neither. Wozniak is so mendacious. He uses dishonest
"gotcha" assertions and questions: He doesn't define
"real" so it can mean anything like "not nonexistent"
(which is certainly true) or "bona fide" (which leaves
that definition flapping in the wind. It has been
explained to him many, many times that the satellite
clocks are ENGINEERED so they run slow:
Wozniak has had this explained to him many times, but he
intransigently lies about it: when t = time on earth and
t' = time in orbit, t' definitely does NOT equal t.
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So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS
https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
of them ) going to be?
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Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
Lies still have short legs.
And Wozniak has no legs to stand on because he has both feet
in his mouth. The satellite clocks are updated twice a day,
IIRC, due to irregularities in the orbits and the earth's
mass uniformity. The rate offset takes care of relativistic
effects between updates, so Wozniak's question is nonsense
for two reasons: (1) what the satellite clocks "read" depends
on where the "reader" is, which Wozniak dishonestly fails to
specify. The satellite clock time (t') is measured AT the
satellite clock, but there's no one there to read it, so
Wozniak asks a pointless question. (2) The satellite clocks
are designed to run slow when tested before launch and the
Principle of Relativity assures that they will still have the
same slow rate in orbit (dt'). Measured from earth, though,
their rate will agree with earth clocks (dt), all according
to relativity.
But the big elephant in the room is that Wozniak is trying
to deflect from the topic of the OP which is about SR and
has nothing to do with the GPS (which is about GR). He has
lost the SR squabble so he tries to change the rules. I've
magnanimously answered according to the new rules anyway,
and firmly planted both of Wozniak's feet in his mouth. He
has no legs to stand on, and those are the shortest legs of
all because they don't even reach the ground :-)