Sujet : Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX,
De : ross.a.finlayson (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Ross Finlayson)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativityDate : 21. Sep 2024, 04:27:28
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On 09/17/2024 06:57 PM, rhertz wrote:
These links I've searched and found shine some light about the
technology used in the 1971 K-H experiment.
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The Cs atomic clocks used were HP 5061A, built in 1969. I wanted to be
sure that THEY DIDN'T HAVE any digital counter able to present clock's
data with nanosecond, microsecond or even millisecond resolution. All
that they had was AN ANALOG CLOCK showing time with 1 SECOND RESOLUTION.
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As it happens (by design) with atomic clocks, high frequency
oscillations of 133Cs (9,192,631,779 Hz) down to a compensated crystal
oscillator (typically at 5 Mhz or 10 Mhz, which have isolated outputs),
which frequency is divided by 5x10E+06 or 10E+07, to obtain a 1 Hertz
stabilized output, which feeds the ANALOG CLOCK.
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You can see, in the pictures or the video, what is inside these HEAVY
clocks. Pure analog electronics, except for the synthesizer (to excite
the Cs chamber) or the dividers, to obtain 5/10 Mhz and 1 Hertz. The
HP5061A is full of DIALS and PRESETS, in order to make permanent
corrections to the readings at 5/10 Mhz, There are no outputs at the 9
Ghz oscillators, because for that epoch, frequency measurement (in real
time) at such range was directly NOT AVAILABLE YET. It would take
another 20 years to measure 10 Ghz without prescalers. WITH NANOSECONDS
RESOLUTION (12 digits on a display).
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https://physicsmuseum.uq.edu.au/cesium-beam-frequency-standard-type-5061a
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How an Atomic Clock Really Works: Inside the HP 5061A Cesium Clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOti3kKWX-c
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In the video, at 1:52, you can observe the complete path flights that
H-K performed.
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In no case, information about WHAT THEY MEASURED to obtain nanoseconds
resolutions. In particular, NO DETAILS about how did they compensate the
DRIFTS in the four Cs clocks, or HOW they conciliated data with the
other TWO Cs clocks in Washington.
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Interesting to observe the interior of such "primitive" HP clocks, and
the technology that's visible.
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This link is for the 1971 publication:
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http://webs.ftmc.uam.es/juancarlos.cuevas/Teaching/Hafele-Keating-Science-1972b.pdf
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I QUOTE:
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"However, no two "real" cesium beam
clocks keep precisely the same time,
even when located together in the laboratory,
but generally show systematic
rate (or frequency) differences which in
extreme cases may amount to time differences as large as 1 usec
per day. Because the relativistic time offsets expected in our
experiments
are only of the order of 0.1 usec per day (1, 4), any
such time divergences (or rate differences) must be taken into account.
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A much more serious complication is
caused by the fact that the relative rates
for cesium beam clocks do not remain
precisely constant. In addition to short
term fluctuations in rate caused mainly
by shot noise in the beam tubes, cesium
beam clocks exhibit small but more
or less well defined quasi-permanent
changes in rate. The times at which
these rate changes occur typically are
separated by at least 2 or 3 days for
good clocks. Some clocks have been observed
in the laboratory to go as long as
several months without a rate change (2, 5).
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These unpredictable changes in rate
produce the major uncertainty in our
results. Because of the nature of these
changes, however, their effect on the
observed time differences can be removed to a large extent in the data
analysis. Under normal conditions
changes in relative rates occur independently, that is, there are no
known
systematic correlations between rate changes of one clock and those of
another."
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IF THE ABOVE IS NOT A DISCLAIMER for not being accountable of COOKING, I
don't know what it is.
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Fishy, rotten, cooked experiment!
Weber bars long preceded LIGO for gravitational wave detection.
The SLAC track's stress cracks help illustrate the draw-down
according to FitzGeraldian-Lorentzian space contraction.
The, "space-time wheel", is a notion about rotational systems
observing each other according to mass/energy equivalency,
drawing down light speed.
Ideas like Jefimenko's "hey you know this spinning disk seems
to sort of block gravity if not exactly anti-gravity", makes
for ideas like "Magnus heft" as with regards to heft and weight,
and susceptibility to gravitational force, and resistance,
weight and heft.
Atomic clock lattices are great gravitational wave detectors.
Hafaele and Keating are famous for both validating the exoteric
public-facing side of the theory, and, illustrating the particulars
of the esoteric as it is, what all compensations resulted the
data adding up to the dot.
I.e., that's part of science, getting beyond "Hookean dumbbells",
as with regards to that Hooke's law is a totally fundamental
aspect of discretization what results Clausius what results
Rayleigh and Kelvin what results "classical the statistical ensemble",
that Hooke's law for a spring is about Foucault's and Allais'
for "finite Hookean well" and "infinite Hookean well".
I.e., "something has to add up, at least there's a tower of cards
here, as with regards to our lionized giants, a dogpile of duds".
Tower of rain, ....
So, anyways, atomic clock lattices are great gravitational wave detectors.
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