Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity

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Sujet : Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* liscati.fr.invalid (Richard Hachel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 23. Jan 2025, 23:59:27
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Le 23/01/2025 à 21:51, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 23.01.2025 09:22, skrev Richard Hachel:
 There is a flaw in your way of understanding the ratio of observable time (terrestrial) and proper time (rockets in general).
 In physics, proper time is what clocks show.
The only way to observe time is to read it off a clock.
So "observed time" and "proper time" are the same.
  https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf
 See: 1.1 "What is proper time?"
It's more complicated than that, breathe, blow...
Observable time is an abstract entity that, in fact, no one really measures.
It is based on the chronotropy of watches, that is to say the speed at which their internal mechanism evolves in relation to another watch.
This mechanism is always symmetrical, and always, we have To=Tr/sqrt(1-v²/c²) for two reciprocal watches.
Each has an internal mechanism that turns reciprocally faster than the other. This effect is very strange and disorienting (especially for Maciej), but it is a fundamental paradox.
Then, there is the apparent time Tapp.
Apparent time is the examiner's own time.
If we want to know the proper time of the examiner in relation to the proper time of the examinee, we must write:
Tapp=Tr.(1+cosµv/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
or Tr(for me)=Tr(yours).(1+cosµv/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
R.H.
Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jan 25 * Understanding the theory of special relativity31Richard Hachel
17 Jan 25 `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity30Paul.B.Andersen
17 Jan 25  +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
18 Jan 25  +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity27Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
18 Jan 25   `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity25Paul.B.Andersen
18 Jan 25    +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity23Richard Hachel
19 Jan 25    i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity22Paul.B.Andersen
19 Jan 25    i `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity21Richard Hachel
20 Jan 25    i  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity20Paul.B.Andersen
21 Jan 25    i   +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity18Richard Hachel
21 Jan 25    i   i+* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity2Richard Hachel
21 Jan 25    i   ii`- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
21 Jan 25    i   i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity15Paul.B.Andersen
21 Jan 25    i   i `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity14Richard Hachel
22 Jan 25    i   i  `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity13Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   +* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity3Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   i`* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity2Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i   i `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i   +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25    i   i   `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity6Paul.B.Andersen
23 Jan 25    i   i    +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Maciej Wozniak
23 Jan 25    i   i    `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity4Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25    i   i     `* Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity3Paul.B.Andersen
24 Jan 25    i   i      +- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
25 Jan 25    i   i      `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Thomas Heger
21 Jan 25    i   `- Re: Understanding the theory of special relativity1Richard Hachel
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