Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.

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Sujet : Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.
De : r.hachel (at) *nospam* tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 20. Feb 2025, 22:34:22
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Le 20/02/2025 à 20:34, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
Thank you for reminding me of Paul's ignorant comment. It's his usual
appeal to experiment that begs the question of the derivation's
validity. Paul is ignorant of the lack of a derivation for the doubling.
Jan is saying you can have momentum without mass because he's ignorant
that momentum requires mass: p = mv.
One of the fundamental questions was: do photons have mass.
Except that if photons had mass, their energy would be infinite.
Having no mass, not even having existence (zero tau), it is difficult to conceive of a quantity of motion for them if p=mv.
In good theory, the quantity of motion of a mass in relativistic motion seems to be p=m.Vr where Vr is the real speed
in the measuring frame. Which corresponds (since Vr=Vo/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²) to p=m.Vo/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²).
But this cannot apply to the photon, which is only a quantum of energy passing instantly from one atom to another (in the receiver's frame of reference).
The illusion of a speed c being purely local (the observer is not really at the source, nor at the receiver, but "between the two", since he places a watch here, and the other there, that is to say in two different places).
R.H.
Date Sujet#  Auteur
19 Feb 25 * Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.54LaurenceClarkCrossen
19 Feb 25 +* Mass of photon? What it can't exist.3Richard Hachel
19 Feb 25 i`* Re: Mass of photon? What it can't exist.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 i `- Re: Mass of photon? What it can't exist.1Richard Hachel
19 Feb 25 +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.16JanPB
19 Feb 25 i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.4LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2JanPB
20 Feb 25 iii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25 ii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
19 Feb 25 i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2JanPB
22 Feb 25 ii `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
19 Feb 25 i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.6LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.5JanPB
20 Feb 25 ii +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25 ii i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Richard Hachel
21 Feb 25 ii i `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 ii `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25 `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.34LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Feb 25  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
20 Feb 25  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.31Richard Hachel
21 Feb 25  i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.29Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.9Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
22 Feb 25  i i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i i  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.5LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i  i`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.4Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i i  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i  i i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i i  i `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Maciej Wozniak
23 Feb 25  i i  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
21 Feb 25  i +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.15LaurenceClarkCrossen
22 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i ii`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Thomas Heger
22 Feb 25  i i+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i i+* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.10Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i ii+- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
23 Feb 25  i ii`* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.8LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.7Paul.B.Andersen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Maciej Wozniak
23 Feb 25  i ii  i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  +- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Feb 25  i ii  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
25 Feb 25  i ii   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Ross Finlayson
23 Feb 25  i i`- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Richard Hachel
22 Feb 25  i `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.3LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Feb 25  i  `* Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.2Thomas Heger
23 Feb 25  i   `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Feb 25  `- Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.1Maciej Wozniak

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