Re: Descartes; Cogito, ergo sum. Any AI and Paul Andersen: I don't think, so?

On 04/28/2025 02:59 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 28/04/2025 à 08:28, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 4/28/2025 2:09 AM, rhertz wrote:
 > "I think, therefore I am" ("Cogito, ergo sum" in Latin) is a
 > foundational
 > philosophical statement by René Descartes, asserting that the act of
 > thinking
 > itself proves the existence of the thinker. Descartes used it as the
 > basis
 > for his philosophy, arguing that even if everything else could be
 > doubted,
 > the fact that one is doubting proves their existence.
>
Existence i.e. - what?
Something exists when we apply the word
"exist" to it. That's all.
>
>
 >
 > Ask any AI engine this question: Do you think? And all of them will
 > respond that they don't.
>
Maybe they're mistaken?
>
 > That everything they write is based on
 > algorithms over existing knowledge
>
Most humans manage no better.
>
>
 >
 > It applies equally to Paul Andersen. He shows off about that he thinks
 > and had deep consciousness, but he is lying. He's a relativistic
PARROT,
 > and I can't find ANY difference between him and a relativistically
 > biased AI engine.
>
AI doesn't insult, AFAIK.
>
>
 > I wonder if Paul EXISTS
>
No you don't.

>
Descartes's opening sentences are magnificent and very well written.
Then he goes completely off the rails with his "evil genius who deceives
us." He manages to twist idealist ideology (he would be violently
criticized by Blaise Pascal and Georges Berkeley) with a grotesque
sleight of hand that contrasts with the quality of the beginning of his
exposition. From then on, everything descends into horror. His text no
longer has any philosophical or theological interest. He defends the
idea of ​​a God, but a phony God, who gives the world a materialistic
slap and thus lets it spin without him.
>
R.H.

If you read "On Truth and Error" you may be disabused of that notion.
Pascal, the jansenist, while Berkeley's a satirist, ...,
either isn't much both rationalist and idealist.