Re: The first postulate is a truism.

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Sujet : Re: The first postulate is a truism.
De : mlwozniak (at) *nospam* wp.pl (Maciej Woźniak)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 22. Jun 2025, 10:45:21
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On 6/22/2025 12:31 AM, Python wrote:
 > Le 21/06/2025 à 23:14, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
 >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:19:43 +0000, Mikko wrote:
 >>
 >>> On 2025-06-20 18:55:34 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said:
 >>>
 >>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 9:06:49 +0000, Mikko wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> On 2025-06-19 17:37:29 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said:
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> Perplexity:
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> "The First Postulate of Special Relativity
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Statement of the First Postulate
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> The first postulate of special relativity, also known as the principle
 >>>>>> of relativity, states:
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> The laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of
 >>>>>> reference."
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> "truism
 >>>>>> /ˈtrˌizƏm/  n. a statement that is obviously true and says nothing new
 >>>>>> or interesting. —truistic/trˈistik/ adj." -Oxford American.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> The first postulate is not a truism. It is possible to imagine a world
 >>>>> where it is not true and to believe that we actually live in a such
 >>>>> world.
 >>>
 >>>> Your reply does not explain how it is not obviously true and nothing new
 >>>> that wasn't already known long before Einstein.
 >>>
 >>> I did explain. And what I said was indeed known long before Einstein.
 >>>
 >>> If the first postulate were a truism nobody would ever have believed
 >>> otherwise. But ancinet literature shows that the opposite belief was
 >>> common.
 >> So, Einstein added nothing new. How does that provide a basis for his
 >> new theory? That he accepted the consensus view since Newton?
 >
 > Read paragraph I.1. in Einstein paper. This is the main point : the meaning of the time coordinate  in an inertial frame.
Later, of course, the idiot discovered
that  there is no inertial frame and his
absurd concept lost any meaning.
 > some "universal time". Einstein asked for the time coordinate to be defined physically
Poor idiot has lost any connection to
the reality, of course.
 > and proposed a procedure (the same one Poincaré proposed before) and he proved that such a procedure is in conflict with absolute simultaneity.
Of course, that alone makes the Holiest
Procedure practically worthless.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
19 Jun 25 * The first postulate is a truism.55LaurenceClarkCrossen
20 Jun 25 +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.53Mikko
20 Jun 25 i+* Re: The first postulate is a truism.33LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Jun 25 ii`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.32Mikko
21 Jun 25 ii +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.9LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Jun 25 ii i+* Re: The first postulate is a truism.5Python
22 Jun 25 ii ii+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Bertitaylor
22 Jun 25 ii ii+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Maciej Woźniak
23 Jun 25 ii ii`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Jun 25 ii ii `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Python
22 Jun 25 ii i`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.3Mikko
23 Jun 25 ii i `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 ii i  `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
22 Jun 25 ii +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Jerald Warszawski
22 Jun 25 ii +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Walid Paradjanov
23 Jun 25 ii +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.4LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Jun 25 ii i+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
23 Jun 25 ii i`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 ii i `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
23 Jun 25 ii `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.16LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 ii  +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
27 Jun 25 ii  `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.14Thomas Heger
27 Jun 25 ii   `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.13Mikko
28 Jun 25 ii    `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.12Thomas Heger
28 Jun 25 ii     +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.10Athel Cornish-Bowden
29 Jun 25 ii     i+* Re: The first postulate is a truism.8Thomas Heger
29 Jun 25 ii     ii`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.7Athel Cornish-Bowden
30 Jun 25 ii     ii `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.6Thomas Heger
30 Jun 25 ii     ii  `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.5Athel Cornish-Bowden
30 Jun 25 ii     ii   +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2Julio Di Egidio
30 Jun 25 ii     ii   i`- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Python
1 Jul 25 ii     ii   +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Thomas Heger
1 Jul 25 ii     ii   `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Bertitaylor
1 Jul 25 ii     i`- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Bertitaylor
29 Jun 25 ii     `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
20 Jun 25 i+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Jun 25 i+* Re: The first postulate is a truism.6LaurenceClarkCrossen
21 Jun 25 ii`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.5Mikko
21 Jun 25 ii +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
22 Jun 25 ii i`- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
23 Jun 25 ii `* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 ii  `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
23 Jun 25 i+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Jun 25 i+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Jun 25 i+- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1LaurenceClarkCrossen
23 Jun 25 i+* Re: The first postulate is a truism.3Mikko
23 Jun 25 ii`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 ii `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
23 Jun 25 i`* Re: The first postulate is a truism.6LaurenceClarkCrossen
24 Jun 25 i +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Mikko
24 Jun 25 i +- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Jefforey Yoshimatsu
24 Jun 25 i +* Re: The first postulate is a truism.2Julio Di Egidio
24 Jun 25 i i`- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Otte Baigushev
24 Jun 25 i `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Maciej Woźniak
20 Jun 25 `- Re: The first postulate is a truism.1Bertitaylor

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