Re: energy and mass

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Sujet : Re: energy and mass
De : ross.a.finlayson (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Ross Finlayson)
Groupes : sci.physics.relativity
Date : 01. Mar 2026, 07:50:48
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On 02/28/2026 05:30 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
[world salad]
>
Get well soon.
>
A usual idea distinguishing philosophy and science is that
science starts with a theory and philosophy ends with one.
>
For once a statement by you which is NOT word salad, and with which I fully
agree.
>
In fact, the idea that a theory about Nature does not stand on its own,
merely because an "eminent" philosopher has formulated it or it sounds
convincing or is internally logically consistent; but that it needs to be
*tested* against Nature, so it needs to be *testable*, and thus
*falsifiable* -- it needs to make *quantifiable* statements so that it can
be tested by *measurements* -- was what eventually separated natural
*science* from natural *philosophy* since Newton's "Philosophiæ Naturalis
Principia Mathematica" (1687) -- "The *Mathematical* Principles of Natural
Philosophy" (emphasis mine).
>
Heh, "world salad".
Since all conscious reason involves philosophy,
then the theory of mathematics gets directly involved
in all matters of mathematical theories like mathematical
physics.
Science is a natural philosophy. So is probability theory,
and both science and probability theory involve that neither
science nor probability theory are ever validated nor predict,
only are not falsified or invalidated.
Only truth validates and only causality predicts.
Theories of "truth" have the sort of original idea that
truth is discovered, since it's true, aletheia the discovery,
toward the greater account of discovery. These days'
"coherent, correspondent, pragmatic" theories of "truth",
are poor echoes, often accompanied or due "material implication"
of the "quasi-modal logic" and "ex falso quodlibet".
Nature, if the world and life in it and its system and order,
is for that the natural: is also in matters of theory itself,
for an answer to a fundamental question of metaphysics and the
like.
About first principles and final cause, science alone can't be
its own yet that's all it has, making itself both "see rule 1"
and "last wins" and contradicting itself, "science alone".
So, the only reason there is science is courtesy philosophy.
The rest is sticks and fire and animism and wishful thinking,
the "empirical", and "invincible ignorance of inductive inference".
You still got gravity constantly violating conservation of
energy in your theory. Ex falso quodlibet?
Ex falso nihilum.
Don't patronize me, you're not my doctor.

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