Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence

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Sujet : Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence
De : anthk (at) *nospam* openbsd.home (anthk)
Groupes : comp.theory comp.ai.philosophy sci.logic
Date : 11. Jun 2025, 22:06:28
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On 2025-06-07, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence
of DDD emulated by HHH from DDD emulated by HHH1.
>
int main()
{
   HHH1(DDD);
}
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Shows that DDD emulated by HHH and DDD emulated by
HHH1 diverges as soon as HHH begins emulating itself
emulating DDD.
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*From the execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shown below*
DDD emulated by HHH1              DDD emulated by HHH
[00002183] push ebp               [00002183] push ebp
[00002184] mov ebp,esp            [00002184] mov ebp,esp
[00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD    [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD
[0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH    [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH
*HHH1 emulates DDD once then HHH emulates DDD once, these match*
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The next instruction of DDD that HHH emulates is at
the machine address of 00002183.
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The next instruction of DDD that HHH1 emulates is at
the machine address of 00002190.
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00002183 != 00002190
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_DDD()
[00002183] 55             push ebp
[00002184] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[00002186] 6883210000     push 00002183 ; push DDD
[0000218b] e833f4ffff     call 000015c3 ; call HHH
[00002190] 83c404         add esp,+04
[00002193] 5d             pop ebp
[00002194] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002194]
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_main()
[000021a3] 55             push ebp
[000021a4] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[000021a6] 6883210000     push 00002183 ; push DDD
[000021ab] e843f3ffff     call 000014f3 ; call HHH1
[000021b0] 83c404         add esp,+04
[000021b3] 33c0           xor eax,eax
[000021b5] 5d             pop ebp
[000021b6] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0020) [000021b6]
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  machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
  address   address   data      code       language
 ========  ========  ========  ========== =============
<main is executed>
[000021a3][0010382d][00000000] 55         push ebp      ; main()
[000021a4][0010382d][00000000] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; main()
[000021a6][00103829][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
[000021ab][00103825][000021b0] e843f3ffff call 000014f3 ; call HHH1
</main is executed>
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New slave_stack at:1038d1
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:1138d9
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<DDD emulated by HHH1>
[00002183][001138c9][001138cd] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of HHH1
[00002184][001138c9][001138cd] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of HHH1
[00002186][001138c5][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
[0000218b][001138c1][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
</DDD emulated by HHH1>
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New slave_stack at:14e2f9
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:15e301
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<DDD emulated by HHH>
[00002183][0015e2f1][0015e2f5] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of HHH[0]
[00002184][0015e2f1][0015e2f5] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of HHH[0]
[00002186][0015e2ed][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
[0000218b][0015e2e9][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
<DDD emulated by HHH>
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New slave_stack at:198d21  DDD emulated by HHH
*This is the beginning of the divergence of the behavior*
*HHH is emulating itself emulating DDD, HHH1 never does that*
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<DDD emulated by HHH emulating itself>
[00002183][001a8d19][001a8d1d] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of HHH[1]
[00002184][001a8d19][001a8d1d] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of HHH[1]
[00002186][001a8d15][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
[0000218b][001a8d11][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
</DDD emulated by HHH emulating itself>
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Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
HHH returns to caller
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<DDD emulated by HHH1>
[00002190][001138c9][001138cd] 83c404     add esp,+04 ; DDD of HHH1
[00002193][001138cd][000015a8] 5d         pop ebp     ; DDD of HHH1
[00002194][001138d1][0003a980] c3         ret         ; DDD of HHH1
</DDD emulated by HHH1>
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<main is executed>
[000021b0][0010382d][00000000] 83c404     add esp,+04 ; main()
[000021b3][0010382d][00000000] 33c0       xor eax,eax ; main()
[000021b5][00103831][00000018] 5d         pop ebp     ; main()
[000021b6][00103835][00000000] c3         ret         ; main()
</main is executed>
Number of Instructions Executed(352831) == 5266 Pages
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
7 Jun15:32 * The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence25olcott
7 Jun15:51 +* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence10dbush
7 Jun15:54 i`* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence9olcott
7 Jun15:56 i +* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence7dbush
7 Jun15:58 i i`* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence6olcott
7 Jun16:01 i i `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence5dbush
7 Jun16:06 i i  `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence4olcott
7 Jun16:08 i i   +* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence2dbush
7 Jun16:12 i i   i`- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1olcott
8 Jun00:07 i i   `- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1Richard Damon
7 Jun23:59 i `- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1Richard Damon
7 Jun23:56 +* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence4Richard Damon
8 Jun12:08 i`* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence3Richard Damon
8 Jun18:24 i `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence2Richard Damon
9 Jun03:36 i  `- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1Richard Damon
8 Jun18:22 +- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1Fred. Zwarts
11 Jun22:06 `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence9anthk
12 Jun01:03  `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence8olcott
12 Jun02:29   `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence7Richard Damon
12 Jun05:44    +* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence4olcott
12 Jun10:42    i+* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence2Fred. Zwarts
12 Jun16:13    ii`- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence --- VERIFIED FACTS1olcott
12 Jun15:21    i`- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence1Richard Damon
12 Jun16:03    `* Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence --- VERIFIED FACTS2olcott
12 Jun23:57     `- Re: The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence --- VERIFIED FACTS1Richard Damon

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